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Re:I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS by dhd415 on Wednesday March 23, 2016 @02:50PM (#11347167)
This is absolutely not true of equipment with moving parts. It must either be maintained or treated as disposable. One of the hallmarks of commercial-grade equipment is its ease of maintenance and repair. You might not find it fun, but professionals who rely on that equipment for their livelihood understand the long-term TCO for well-maintained commercial-grade equipment vs. disposable consumer-grade equipment.

Whether that applies to mobile phones with their general lack of moving parts is an entirely different question.

Re:I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS by lake99 on Wednesday March 23, 2016 @03:51PM (#11347647)
> It must either be maintained or treated as disposable.

While I agree with this, I understand where Swizec's comment is coming from. I have a few business acquaintances who have been automotive engineers for 30-40 years now. They have an excellent idea of how their cars work. And yet, they rue that earlier, they could open any broken car and get it to run. Now, there's not much they can do to fix their own cars. Pretty much all they can do when they see a blinking light is take the car to a mechanic. The older generation has learnt that they can't fix their cars. The newer generation, unsurprisingly, doesn't even want to make the effort. The older generation could fill up their oil, change their filters, etc. Now, most people just get their mysterious machine serviced every few months. "I don't want to maintain my car" seems like a natural consequence of how cars work now.

Re:I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS by jethro_tell on Wednesday March 23, 2016 @04:31PM (#11347960)
Right but a service interval now is about the same as an engine life from an older car.
Re:I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS by harshreality on Wednesday March 23, 2016 @04:44PM (#11348063)
> Pretty much all they can do when they see a blinking light is take the car to a mechanic.

Why? Don't they have OBD-2 readers?

Re:I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS by CamperBob2 on Wednesday March 23, 2016 @05:51PM (#11348564)
OBD2 doesn't tell you much, in a lot of cases. It might identify a loose gas cap or a broken plug wire, but for everything else that can wrong on a modern car you need the manufacturer's proprietary scan tool and a subscription to their online service documents. These cost thousands of dollars, needless to say.
Re:I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS by zo1 on Wednesday March 23, 2016 @06:13PM (#11348690)
Not that, but certain "luxury-brand" cars specifically don't want you fiddling with anything, and to simply bring it in for a service.

E.g. The weirdest part of it (after driving an old car for the longest time) was they explicitly tell you not to have gas-station attendants check your oil for you. If you're leaking/losing oil, the lights will at some point come on and prompt you to take the car in for service.

Re:I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS by jonknee on Wednesday March 23, 2016 @06:18PM (#11348722)
> E.g. The weirdest part of it (after driving an old car for the longest time) was they explicitly tell you not to have gas-station attendants check your oil for you. If you're leaking/losing oil, the lights will at some point come on and prompt you to take the car in for service.

Why is that weird? It's a pressurized system with plenty of sensors, you are certainly better off following the data than a gas station attendant (which itself is an old fashioned concept in most places).

Re:I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS by coldtea on Wednesday March 23, 2016 @05:15PM (#11348312)
>Why? Don't they have OBD-2 readers?

What if they have? It's not like they'd bother to (a) decipher them, (b) fix the issue themselves.

Re:I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS by lake99 on Wednesday March 23, 2016 @04:59PM (#11348176)
Don't know. The last I met them was about 10 years ago.
Re:I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS by cellularmitosis on Friday March 25, 2016 @12:32PM (#11360989)
And this becomes even more true as the thing with moving parts becomes more expensive. For an excavator which costs several hundred thousand dollars, when a shaft wears out of spec, they send it to a welder to apply more metal, then onto the lathe to trim it back into spec. In other words, when the equipment gets expensive enough, parts which you wouldn't normally consider to be maintainable become maintenance items.