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Re:Apple vs. The F.B.I.: How the Case Could Play Out by wildmusings on Sunday March 20, 2016 @02:58PM (#11324130)
>Maybe it's fair that their discussion totally ignored some of the key issues, such as the dangers of back doors and their impact on public safety, the opening up of abuse by other governments, and the potential negative impact on the technology industry in the US. Because they were focused just on what the court will consider.

These are all great arguments for Congress to consider. Maybe there's a good reason to create a privilege, like doctor-patient privilege, for companies in Apple's position. As I think you acknowledge, this is a political judgment that must be made by the people's elected representatives. As an aside, you're playing the same game with the definition of backdoor that we were accusing the government of before. Hacking a phone is not creating a backdoor. Shipping phones with an intentional vulnerability is a backdoor.

>But even then as baldajan pointed out the first amendment issues are way more than just code. They are also about the core values of the company. Apple should be able to choose what kind of dent they put in the universe.

So let's assume that Apple outright had the PIN in their possession. They would be forced to hand it over. "What kind dent they want to put in the universe" notwithstanding. Again, you're asking the court to come to a political decision, not to interpret the law as it exists and has been applied repeatedly to other cases.

The court is not the third house of Congress.

Re:Apple vs. The F.B.I.: How the Case Could Play Out by thaumasiotes on Sunday March 20, 2016 @04:38PM (#11324540)
> you're playing the same game with the definition of backdoor that we were accusing the government of before. Hacking a phone is not creating a backdoor. Shipping phones with an intentional vulnerability is a backdoor.

Well, those aren't entirely separate things. In the instant case, Apple is being asked to create a tool to open an existing phone. That clearly falls under the umbrella of "hacking a phone".

If they were to continue selling phones (that is, after all, what they do) after creating the tool, though, they'd be intentionally shipping phones with a known vulnerability[1]. So it's perfectly sensible to describe the request as being "to create a back door".

[1] I am given to understand that the phones Apple currently manufactures would not be vulnerable to the tool they're being asked to create. I don't feel that changes the issues I mention, but it does mean they don't apply perfectly to this case.

Re:Apple vs. The F.B.I.: How the Case Could Play Out by wildmusings on Sunday March 20, 2016 @06:14PM (#11324930)
They wouldn't be creating the backdoor. The door exists, they're being asked to use their key and walk through it. The exact mechanics of accomplishing that don't matter. The fact that they can do it means that the door already exists. That they publicly insinuated in marketing that this wasn't the case isn't anyone's problem but Apple's. Sounds like a lesson in not making stronger claims than you can justify.

Also, I'm not sure newer phones are unaffected, here's a line from Apple's public letter:

>Specifically, the FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation. In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession.

Emphasis on "any iPhone".

Re:Apple vs. The F.B.I.: How the Case Could Play Out by ikeboy on Sunday March 20, 2016 @03:33PM (#11324275)