News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:The idea of a university as a free space rather than a sa... by loup-vaillant on Saturday March 19, 2016 @07:48PM (#11321053)
Okay, I'm lost: why the downvotes? This sounds like reasonable comment, even useful (the first sentence is a good summary of the article's subject). I see no attack to any particular group.

What in this comment could possibly rub HN the wrong way?

Re:The idea of a university as a free space rather than a sa... by over on Saturday March 19, 2016 @09:02PM (#11321274)
I think it's just that there's a lot of dramatic and hyperbolic words and phrases in there, here's a list from a quick pass:

> religion, anyone, conviction, enemy, must, silenced

> most, pitiful, cowardice, all, should, every last one of us, ever, surrendered, tyranny, fighting, capitulate, cower, fear

> my own country, America; disgusts, good men, put down their lives, secure, blessings, liberty, lack, confidence, courage, even, a word, defense

A few of these would be fine.

Re:The idea of a university as a free space rather than a sa... by loup-vaillant on Sunday March 20, 2016 @07:34AM (#11322562)
Oh. Reminds me of that one time, where some jerk went all wise on me, by picking individual words from my post then responding "strong words".

On the surface, I was the angry stampede, and he was the voice of reason. Except he didn't seem to notice that my "strong words" tended to cancel each other (some of the words he cited actually restricted the scope of the others).

It's like the tone is more important than the message. Can't people read, before they take offence to surface details? I hope this is a loud minority problem.

Lesson learned: thou shalt not use strong words, even to express a fair and balanced position. What a mess.

Re:The idea of a university as a free space rather than a sa... by over on Sunday March 20, 2016 @04:11PM (#11324435)
I dunno, someone was asking why the downvotes, that's all I could think of. I agree it's nasty to highlight the words like that.
Re:The idea of a university as a free space rather than a sa... by wildmusings on Saturday March 19, 2016 @09:23PM (#11321348)
Dramatic is the right tone here. We are seeing the collapse of intellectual freedom and openness in the places where it was supposed to be valued most. This does not bode well for our civilization. My generation, the millennials, holds free speech in much lower regard than previous generations. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millen... . Everyone who values freedom should be very alarmed.
Re:The idea of a university as a free space rather than a sa... by indrax on Saturday March 19, 2016 @10:36PM (#11321530)
Millenials didn't invent video game ratings, movie ratings, the seven 'dirty' words, the hays code, or blacklists.

If your generation targets something that's actually harmful, you're ahead of the game.

Consider a space that becasue all speech is allowed, is dominated by speech that marginalizes some subset of the population. Is that 'free'?

I think that if you want a place of intellectual exploration, excluding people is as dangerous as excluding certain ideas. And there seems to be a trade-off.

Re:The idea of a university as a free space rather than a sa... by wildmusings on Saturday March 19, 2016 @10:42PM (#11321549)
I very recently graduated from a college where these activists were very active. I can assure you, that there is not some epidemic of racism or any other kind of discrimination that this is a legitimate reaction to. It's nothing short of a political power-grab and an attempt to shut down any discussion by people that they don't agree with. They have successfully created a climate of fear. The reaction among all of the different institutions--different academic and administrative departments, student groups, greek organizations, alumni groups, etc.--is nothing short of race to capitulate the fastest.
Re:The idea of a university as a free space rather than a sa... by over on Saturday March 19, 2016 @09:37PM (#11321377)
Unfortunately I think this makes universities less hypocritical because it's more in line with the way academia works on the inside.
Re:The idea of a university as a free space rather than a sa... by hartpuff on Saturday March 19, 2016 @08:48PM (#11321234)
> why the downvotes? This sounds like reasonable comment

Happens all the time here, unfortunately, but questioning why is a waste of time. Half the posts in this thread - ironically about free speech - are grey. The surprising thing is that your post isn't, simply for mentioning the D-word.

Re:The idea of a university as a free space rather than a sa... by loup-vaillant on Sunday March 20, 2016 @07:17AM (#11322529)
Re:The idea of a university as a free space rather than a sa... by lizardskull on Saturday March 19, 2016 @08:01PM (#11321106)
Maybe the majority of the readers are in a university.
Re:The idea of a university as a free space rather than a sa... by trav4225 on Saturday March 19, 2016 @09:41PM (#11321383)
I suspect the downvotes are happening for the same reason that so many potential voices on campuses are being rejected outright -- because they don't toe the line. ;-)