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Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by mattzito on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @01:45PM (#11299227)
This is a situation where one developer had a special exception carved out for them for a non-commercial project that everyone thought was cool. That access persisted for three years until someone made a decision that giving free access to something that normally they charge quite a lot of money for is not worth it.

Twitter offers several free endpoints for developers, including search, streaming, a raw sample of tweets, and the like. They all have rate limits and the like attached, but they're real, free, access to their data.

For people who want bigger, broader, deeper access, they sell access to that data. That's been the case for the last few years.

In this case, Emojitracker unfortunately falls into the cracks in between, where they need deeper access to do what they want, but it's not a commercial enterprise.

I agree, it would be nice of Twitter to continue giving Emojitracker free access, but are they obligated to do that? They are a business, and providing access to millions of Tweets for free seems like an unfair obligation to ask them to continue indefinitely.

Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by forgetsusername on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @02:12PM (#11299455)
>That access persisted for three years until someone made a decision that giving free access to something that normally they charge quite a lot of money for is not worth it.

Right. The point here is that the decision might be stupid. It's fodder for exactly this type of a story, while Twitter is pushing for improved relations with developers and trying determine its future as a going concern.

Of course they aren't obligated to do continue to provide free access, in the same sense that I'm not obligated to use their platform. But it might be in their best interest (in both cases).

For all the acclaim that Mr. Dorsey gets as a CEO, Twitter is a great idea but a basket case of a public company.

Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by eli on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @02:00PM (#11299348)
The comment you are replying did not say or imply Twitter was obligated to do anything.

But continuing to provide this noncommercial API access for free indefinitely is exactly what I think they should do and I'm a little disappointed that they don't agree. Twitter isn't wrong here, they're just assholes.

Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by mattzito on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @02:06PM (#11299407)
They do still have noncommercial API access for free (who knows for how long). What is going away is this individual's special access.
Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by eli on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @02:15PM (#11299474)
Right, I think the individual should continue to get special access forever. It's a terrible idea to cut off people doing something cool with your platform because of what? Saving the negligible cost of supporting their volume of API calls? A message to developers that rules are strictly enforced? Not exactly a PR win.
Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by bduerst on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @03:54PM (#11300190)
>Right, I think the individual should continue to get special access forever. It's a terrible idea to cut off people doing something cool with your platform because of what?

Because "special access" means free in this case.

Do you realize you are arguing that a customer should have free access forever, while others customers pay? Do you know what type of liability that is for any business?

Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by dangrossman on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @04:28PM (#11300414)
There's nothing unusual about charging commercial users of a product while not charging non-commercial users. Academic and non-profit discounts, down to making your product free to them, are extremely commonplace. There's nothing unusual about sponsoring interesting projects, or making special arrangements when it's mutually beneficial. Giving a tiny customer free access forever, and getting a bunch of goodwill associated with their brand in return, is not a liability, it's good business.
Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by bduerst on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @07:08PM (#11301393)
There is something unusual with a contract for free access to a paid service that goes to perpetuity, no matter how many times you try to redefine it.
Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by pfooti on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @02:50PM (#11299759)
If it was the case that emojitracker was reselling that api access, I could see cutting it off.

But I think that a rich, robust ecosystem would flourish more around a platform that provided free API access to noncommercial projects.

Of course, it's conceivable that this API access costs twitter a significant amount of money - it is a lot of data, after all. Even a low cost could be written off as advertising within the platform. "Look at the cool stuff we could build on this API, let's make a commercial product and pay twitter for access!"

Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by aioprisan on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @04:05PM (#11300267)
> But I think that a rich, robust ecosystem would flourish more around a platform that provided free API access to noncommercial projects.

This. Also, if API access costs Twitter a significant amount of money, they shouldn't be in the platform business and shut down their API entirely.

Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by pyre on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @01:54PM (#11299306)
> They are a business, and providing access to millions of Tweets for free seems like an unfair obligation to ask them to continue indefinitely.

While not indefinitely, it would certainly help the case to just public a cost-benefit analysis of how much Emojitracker's access was costing Twitter (though not in terms of "lost revenue" based on what Emojitracker would have been paying for that access).

Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by qubex on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @03:30PM (#11300026)
Who says they didn't perform the kind of cost/benefit analysis you mention and estimated that it wasn't worth the effort? And if that was their estimation, despite our (NH denizens) collective annoyance, maybe they were right. Maybe providing free access made prospective paying customers less likely to pay for firehose access, or a slew of not-for-profit organisations requesting free firehose access citing emojitracker as a precedent. There's a myriad of hypotheticals and whomever made this decision is not necessarily irrational... it just depends on what constitutes their utility function.
Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by pyre on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @06:49PM (#11301288)
I was saying that maybe it would have been a good idea for them to publish that analysis publicly, or just to emojitracker (where they would presumably publish it for Twitter).
Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by mattzito on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @02:06PM (#11299398)
I don't see that as Twitter's obligation. When someone does you a favor, or makes an exception for you, it's nice if they give you a reason when they end it, but it's not their responsibility.
Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by pyre on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @06:47PM (#11301277)
No, it's not their responsibility. I'm just saying that PR-wise it could have been a good move to just say, "Hey, it's costing us $X/month to give you an exception for this access. Sorry, but we can't justify that cost going forward." Are you saying that it would have been a bad move for them to say that?
Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by wslh on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @02:02PM (#11299366)
> For people who want bigger, broader, deeper access, they sell access to that data. That's been the case for the last few years.

Can I pay $ 100 extra per month for more access?

Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by Xorlev on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @02:45PM (#11299721)
It's very expensive. You have to be careful to only register high signal / low noise terms or risk a massive bill.

To get the data emojitracker has would be tens of thousands a month or more.

Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by mattzito on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @02:09PM (#11299436)
Most of it is based on volume - I have no idea what the entry point is for some of these things, but there are increments of data or access that are around that much.

But no, I doubt you can pony up $100/mo and get a meaningful amount of data.

Re:Twitter shut down Emojitracker's access by wslh on Wednesday March 16, 2016 @03:15PM (#11299941)
That's the issue with Twitter and this is their fault. Google was revolutionary when they introduced a way to advertise (yes, AdWords) for only $ 5 while others (e.g: Yahoo) required thousand dollars as an entry point. I know it is not easy to develop/set up such system and deal with millions of retail customers but... in 2016? You can even do this with Twitter Advertising so I don't understand why they can't solve this for their API.