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Re:Protonet: secure, private, and beautiful cloud servers by jacquesm on Monday March 14, 2016 @08:22PM (#11286598)
Not quite, it's still someone else that takes care of the physical aspect and the hardware fail-over for you. Even so the distinction is becoming more and more blurry.

The long term point of convergence is that the whole concept of a 'machine' will go away as far as the cloud is concerned. It will still involve machines but you won't know (or care) about how many of them and where they are located.

Something along the lines of Heroku, only then a bit more generic. Computing-by-the-yard, if you wish.

Re:Protonet: secure, private, and beautiful cloud servers by api on Monday March 14, 2016 @08:50PM (#11286726)
But if you care about privacy or security, you do care where they are located.

If they're located on your property, then they're protected by 200+ years of case law (in many countries). If not, then you have no protection save the company's privacy policy and willingness to enforce it in the face of government pressure or commercial temptation to sell your data.

Re:Protonet: secure, private, and beautiful cloud servers by TheOtherHobbes on Monday March 14, 2016 @10:04PM (#11286984)
The US, UK, and most nations friendly to the US are not those countries.

There have been too many cases of police and/or security services rolling up at private addresses or small offices, bundling all the hardware they find into a van, and forcing innocent people to spend huge sums on lawyers to have any hope of getting it back.

A box on your desk is not the right answer to this problem.

Some kind of massively redundant disintermediated public data network might be, but we don't really have one of those yet.

Re:Protonet: secure, private, and beautiful cloud servers by ams6110 on Monday March 14, 2016 @10:17PM (#11287015)
To be fair this is not new, a truck pulling up and movers taking all the filing cabinets (or slapping government seals on them) is the way it used to be done.

If your local server filesystems are encrypted, then it's actually safer from that sort of thing than the file cabinets used to be.

Re:Protonet: secure, private, and beautiful cloud servers by Spooky23 on Monday March 14, 2016 @09:28PM (#11286859)
Awesome point.

With all of the talking about anonymity, crypto, etc, which are all ephemeral things, one of the strongest things that you have going for you as a US resident is an object inside the perimeter of your home.

Re:Protonet: secure, private, and beautiful cloud servers by robotresearcher on Tuesday March 15, 2016 @01:42PM (#11291483)
I'd trust strong crypto more than the law. I don't leave piles of cash in my house despite the law against taking it.
Re:Protonet: secure, private, and beautiful cloud servers by Spooky23 on Tuesday March 15, 2016 @01:50PM (#11291554)
Generally speaking, the law wins.
Re:Protonet: secure, private, and beautiful cloud servers by robotresearcher on Tuesday March 15, 2016 @02:54PM (#11292091)
That's true. But good crypto can also protect you in the outlier cases. If someone is taking your stuff they either disregard the law or they are the law. Crypto protects you at least a bit in both cases.