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Re:Ontario announces that it will begin a basic income trial... by derefr on Sunday March 13, 2016 @05:47PM (#11279506)
> How I spend my funds

I think there was a misunderstanding here, perhaps? My hypothetical CPS financial-auditing branch wouldn't care how parents spent their own Basic Income (or non-BI income.) It would only care how parents spent money that was given in the form of a check with the child's name on the recipient field, because that child has the right to that money, as the child's private property, just as much as they would an inheritance or a working income.

Do note that I'm not suggesting the "CPS shows up at your house and sees whether you're being a good parent" schtick would apply to these cases; just that the bank statements on the child's (legally-mandated separate) bank account would be looked at similarly to a tax return, to find something similar to tax fraud. (In fact, this is currently part of the IRS mandate, insofar as there is such a thing as "dependent fraud" where people claim others' dependents as their own, make up dependents, etc.)

What I'm saying is basically, you don't want the world to get more draconian, but it already is this draconian. Part of the mandate of public-school teachers is to report if they think parents have been neglecting their children. The government fundamentally does not trust parents to have their children's best interests at heart. From the state's perspective, they have the base responsibility of raising/taking care of children, and they delegate that responsibility to parents insofar as those parents manage to observably do a good job. When new laws are drafted, they're drafted from this perspective.

That means that the government, where it can more efficiently ensure a child's well-being by creating a core mechanism that happens regardless of parents' involvement (e.g. school lunch programs, in-school vaccinations, etc.) than by delegating that task to the parents, will always end up doing so.

You can say that that's wrong, you can try to change that, but you can't argue against a particular implementation of a law for having this property when this property is "cultural" to the technocratic-politburo nature of Congress, with its research-assistants and lobbyists and think-tanks.

Re:Ontario announces that it will begin a basic income trial... by Mz on Sunday March 13, 2016 @06:01PM (#11279557)
Sigh.

I really would not wish to go there. I know what is best for my kids better than you do and if I have resources to allocate for the welfare of the family, then butt out and let me allocate them.

One of the problems with this proposal is that it inherently will impact the lives of women more directly than men. Women are far more often doing the single parent thing.

I wonder if you are a parent? I mean, I find your ideas truly horrifying.

These are issues I have spent many years contemplating, studying formally and informally, and working on to whatever degree I was able, given my other obligations in life. And this is just not the right way to do this at all.

I do everything in my power to light one small candle rather than curse the dark. The controlling position you are taking makes things worse, not better. It makes them far worse.

Currently, the world is draconian by happenstance, not design. Happenstance is far easier to push back against than designed evil.

We need policies that are more supportive of parents and families, more loving, compassionate and so on. Not more controlling.

I blog because this is the kind of thing I do incredibly well as an individual and there is demand for that info. In part because I am a woman and in part because people think I am telling tall tales (and in part for other reasons), I have, so far, failed to get much traction or get the kind of professional feedback I need in order to make my work do what it needs to do.

People need better methods. They need ideas and examples and information that they can pick and choose from to apply selectively to the specifics of their situation. They absolutely do NOT need some central authority coming up with universal one-size-fits-all answers and standards and then cramming them down the throats of everyone who makes the mistake of reproducing. Or even existing.

You want a better world? Help parents take better care of their families. That has a proven track record of leading to less crime, etc. down the line. And we don't do that. And UBI isn't going to do it either, but what it will do is break the relationship between income and positively incentivizing behaviors we desire from people.

Every time humans have tried to say "No matter who you are, we will take care of you just because you exist, no strings attached" we have wound up with freeloaders who do not contribute. It rapidly makes things fall apart. It fundamentally does not work.

Automation "taking our jobs" doesn't change that. I have blogged about this and really should be doing other things. so I really don't feel like trying to expound upon that overly much today. But, please, god, NO.