Re:Why the German language has so many great words
by kuschku on Saturday March 12, 2016 @07:51AM
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Actually, neither Studentinnen nor Studenten nor StudentInnen is used at all anymore.
There is an easy fix: Using the plural particip of the verb.
Studierende.
Geflüchtete.
Werdende.
Re:Why the German language has so many great words
by majewsky on Saturday March 12, 2016 @08:28AM
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"Studierende" is actually a counterexample, because it means "people who are studying right now". So if you hear of "Studierendenproteste" rather than "Studentenproteste" (student protests), you can picture them reading books during their protest. :)
Re:Why the German language has so many great words
by gandarojin on Saturday March 12, 2016 @08:55AM
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“Student” comes from Latin “studens”, which grammatically is exactly the same as “studierend” (Partizip I in German / Present Active Participle in Latin). The difference in meaning is random.
Re:Why the German language has so many great words
by Koshkin on Saturday March 12, 2016 @10:01AM
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Heh, but German is not Latin, and so 'student' in German, as often happens with borrowed words, has acquired a different meaning, viz. that of a noun in this case.
Re:Why the German language has so many great words
by gandarojin on Sunday March 13, 2016 @07:16AM
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Sorry, in Latin every adjective can also be used as a noun. So “studens” (“studierend”) can also mean “Studierende(r)”.
Edit: The point is, Latin “studens” also has the concurrency aspect to it, just as German “Studierender”. If you say “studens ambulat”, it means “He/she is taking a walk, while studying.”
Singular: Studentin = student (female) Student = student (male, or unspecified) Plural: Studentinnen = students (all female*) Studenten = students (at least one male, or unspecified)
Feminists (correctly) identified this imbalance as an issue of sexist language. The problem is, there isn't an easy fix. The common solutions nowadays are to use phrases like "Studenten and Studentinnen" (creating the new issue of which gender to name first) or in written form "StudentInnen". That's kind of clunky, creating a desire to use ungendered words where possible. So then people come up with constructs like this because they happen to be ungendered (but horrible in other ways).
I think in Austria, using the female form even for mixed/unknown groups is relatively common nowadays. But I'm just a very occasional visitor there and I'm not certain about the details. (Do they throw dice to determine which to use? Or did they just switch to the female, which then could be interpreted to be sexist against men.)