Re:AlphaGo Can't Beat Me, Says Chinese Go Grandmaster Ke Jie
by statsaresimple on Thursday March 10, 2016 @11:30AM
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Not so sure about the extra mile. It could happen that the AI couldn't be able to go beyond a certain level. That is this AI could be walled. We have a wonderful opportunity to see an example in which current AI is measured to be near but not far from best human competence.
Re:AlphaGo Can't Beat Me, Says Chinese Go Grandmaster Ke Jie
by devy on Thursday March 10, 2016 @11:47AM
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> It could happen that the AI couldn't be able to go beyond a certain level.
That's your wishful thinking.
As we've seen the matches with Fan Hui in the past, unfortunately and fortunately, the CNN will improve drastically game after game and making less mistakes whereas human always do at a certain level.
Another big point I want to point out is human emotion and state of the mind. With 0:2, Lee Sedol lost his confidence ("speechless" in his own words) [1] and quite possibly increasing fear of losing in a landslide 0:5. Losing confidence and fear of losing are VERY TERRIBLE things in any competitive sports.
[1] http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/10/11191184/lee-sedol-alphago...
Re:AlphaGo Can't Beat Me, Says Chinese Go Grandmaster Ke Jie
by statsaresimple on Thursday March 10, 2016 @11:57AM
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it is very interesting to measure at what rate AI improves. If the AI can improve a lot, a very interesting problem is to develop a scale or elo for measuring this progress. I am more interested in what lesson we can take home from this match, I don't have a wish here. We have many thinks to learn about this. In a situation of great uncertainty about the pace at with AI can improve its capabilities, measuring the velocity or rate of change can gives a hint about the future and applications of this new technology.
Re:AlphaGo Can't Beat Me, Says Chinese Go Grandmaster Ke Jie
by kriro on Friday March 11, 2016 @01:57AM
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I prefer the marketing narrative of beating a top pro then challenging the #1...or better yet have said #1 more or less ask for the challenge himself.
It's more impact than going for the #1 directly and also allows for some extra optimization cycles.
For people outside of Go community, Ke Jie is the new star of Go, currently Jie's Elo rating is #1, http://www.goratings.org/, Lee Sedol is #4. Media touted Lee Sedol as the greatest player of past decade, it was true couple years ago but Lee Sedol has been clearly in decline in recent years (as seen in the Elo rating).
2) Ke Jie is 19, at the peak age of his game. Lee Sedol is 33 and is seemingly in decline in his game, hence the 2:8 record vs. Ke Jie.
3) Ke Jie probably wanted to be challenged since he is the current world's #1 Go player. Sure there aren't much differences in terms of skill levels between top Pro 9 dan players but challenging a current world's #4 player is different from challenging a current world #1 player, isn't it?
It's a shame that the Western world doesn't know Ke Jie well(as his wikipedia page has very limited info and his award records.)[1] But these are moot points. After the 2nd defeat, it's increasingly clear that AlphaGo will defeat human player - it's a matter of time or a matter of a couple more games.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ke_Jie