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Re:Do Psychedelic Drug Laws Violate Human Rights? by baddox on Monday March 07, 2016 @04:40PM (#11241930)
"Your rights end where someone else's begin" is a reasonable rule of thumb, but it doesn't hold up to much scrutiny without a much more specific theory of rights. An obvious example is that many people consider things like health care, a living wage, shelter, food, etc. to be human rights, in which case one could argue that putting a competitor out of business simply by offering a better/cheaper product more efficiently violates the rights of the losing competitor.
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Re:Do Psychedelic Drug Laws Violate Human Rights? by LesZedCB on Monday March 07, 2016 @04:53PM (#11242045)
Maybe it really is true that upholding our current economic structure is a violation of human rights? As Proudhon said, "Property is theft!"[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_is_theft!

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Re:Do Psychedelic Drug Laws Violate Human Rights? by baddox on Monday March 07, 2016 @04:57PM (#11242069)
I can certainly entertain the suggestion of an antipropertarian society. I don't actually think it would work, but at least it's an intellectually consistent political philosophy, unlike most modern takes on democratic socialism.
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Re:Do Psychedelic Drug Laws Violate Human Rights? by LesZedCB on Monday March 07, 2016 @05:03PM (#11242103)
Well, it would have to be a better alternative than what we have now. Though I think the massive inequality globally and nationally is enough to say it needs to happen.

I'm not sure what you mean by modern takes on democratic socialism. Sanders is most certainly not a socialist, if that's what you mean, despite being for a progressive welfare state. If one upholds private property rights, they are not a socialist. Democratic socialism simply is socialism where socialist economic structure is ushered in by means of the bourgeois democratic system as opposed to (or at least in unison with) revolutionary movements.

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Re:Do Psychedelic Drug Laws Violate Human Rights? by baddox on Monday March 07, 2016 @05:58PM (#11242423)
> Well, it would have to be a better alternative than what we have now.

That's one issue. Another is having a feasible way to transition from what we have now. The latter is probably the trickier one.

> I'm not sure what you mean by modern takes on democratic socialism. Sanders is most certainly not a socialist, if that's what you mean, despite being for a progressive welfare state.

I mean democratic socialism roughly as Sanders describes it, although there's obviously a big range even within the modern definition. So yes, just western democracy with the government doing lots of social programs. Not real socialism.

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Re:Do Psychedelic Drug Laws Violate Human Rights? by schoen on Monday March 07, 2016 @04:54PM (#11242050)
There's a famous 1410 lawsuit about that: http://www2.samford.edu/%7Emedebow/Schoolmasters.html
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