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Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by lazaroclapp on Saturday March 05, 2016 @08:24PM (#11232024)
> the Open Source idea is very messed up in an economy with distinct winners and losers.

Except Oracle getting rich on say, Linux, doesn't hurt me if I am running Ubuntu, Debian or Gentoo. In fact, if their patches are any good, due to the GPL, it helps me.

Now, if I develop open source software, I might or might not be able to extract as much of the value generated as if I was making it a proprietary product. On the other hand, the total reach and value of the project might be magnified just because other people (and also for-profit-corporations) can take it and extend it and use it. I might see less of that value myself but:

a) It might not be my primary goal to capture as much value as possible, just to get enough money out of it so that I can continue working on that project.

b) The "size of the pie" that the same project is worth as open-source, specially for developer tools, is much much larger than if I kept it proprietary. So, in some cases, I might be able to capture more absolute value that way, even if I am helping some huge megacorp get filthy rich too (which is what would happen if I got a 'normal' software job, anyways).

Making your software free to me is not quite an ethical imperative in most cases, but it is a personal decision that can make a lot of sense, even if the entity that will profit the most from your software in monetary terms might not be yourself. The flip side is that, all things being equal, a great open-source software is likely to have a higher impact (and bring you more fame), than a great proprietary program. Specially for infrastructure, libraries and the like vs user-facing software.

If Tim Berners-Lee had been paid for the world-wide web what his contribution ended up being worth to the world, he would be the world's first trillionaire. On the other hand, if he had insisted that he get paid for all uses of the web, the web might have never come be to (or might have lost to a much more "corporate" system, under the control of one or a few companies).

Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by notalaser on Sunday March 06, 2016 @04:35AM (#11233069)
> Except Oracle getting rich on say, Linux, doesn't hurt me if I am running Ubuntu, Debian or Gentoo. In fact, if their patches are any good, due to the GPL, it helps me.

It does if they manage to get in a position where they "own" enough of what you're using so that they can force their choices on you.

Red Hat has been in such a position for a long time now, and their world domination agenda has been steadily hurting non-enterprise Linux users in a higher and higher proportion.

Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by babuskov on Sunday March 06, 2016 @05:15AM (#11233162)
> Red Hat world domination agenda has been hurting non-enterprise Linux users

How come? I'm a non-enterprise Linux user and I don't recall ever being hurt by anything RedHat did?

Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by digi_owl on Sunday March 06, 2016 @12:17PM (#11234520)
RH was playing nice for as long as they were the underdog fighting the established Unix vendors.

But since most of them folded and adopted Linux, and especially after Oracle upped and forked RHEL6 to make Oracle Linux, the actions from RHHQ has taken on a more controlling nature.

Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by MrTonyD on Monday March 07, 2016 @05:27PM (#11242263)
At Oracle we did an analysis of all the major Linux distributions worldwide. Red Hat was just a major player in the United States - among others. We decided that we needed someone to work with in order to help Linux compete with Microsoft - so that Microsoft wouldn't be able to control all the APIs and we could use our support of Linux as a "sharp stick" for negotiations between Larry and Bill. (Improving Linux more unless Bill stopped competing with products from Sun, HP, IBM, Oracle, etc.) So improvements to Linux and associated desktop applications were intentionally curtailed based on Bill's concessions.

So we worked with IBM, who was also feeling the pressure from Microsoft, and IBM effectively "took over" Red Hat by providing investments, providing executives, and assigning hundreds of engineers to work on Red Hat Linux. That is what propelled Red Hat to become dominant. Since some of the changes to the kernel were just for servers - running things like Oracle, and not useful to the typical Linux user, that became Enterprise Linux.

Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by digi_owl on Wednesday March 09, 2016 @06:49AM (#11252366)
So what you are claiming is that Oracle, with IBM assistance, made RH into what it is today?
Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by MrTonyD on Friday March 18, 2016 @04:14PM (#11314577)
Yes. That is exactly true. When Oracle started working on Linux it was only useful for print servers - and I created a white paper for Larry analyzing its shortcomings (lots of functionality missing from the kernel.) So we, along with IBM, Sun, HP, and others, committed tens of millions in resources to making Linux an actual competitor to Windows. And we kept improving it until Bill made enough concessions, and then we stopped. But by that time Linux had been turned into a real OS, and over the next few years it became a "success story" for open source. But that misunderstands the reality of the hundreds of people we had assigned to make it work and to turn Red Hat into a real company. After that, it could be argued that we stayed involved in open source in order to keep it from succeeding too much as part of quietly negotiated side agreements.
Re:Why I Left Oracle – A Confession by a-saleh on Sunday March 06, 2016 @12:04PM (#11234475)
Well, depends how you feel about systemd, maybe?