Re:Cheap oil is taking shipping routes back to the 1800s
by rosser on Saturday March 05, 2016 @03:41AM
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> It's far from obvious that CO2 emissions from excavating millions of tons of sand and earth would be dwarfed by the savings in the transit emissions of high-tonnage freight ships...
According to numbers I found, an "average" bulldozer burns 4 gallons of diesel an hour, yielding an annual emission rate of around 66 tons. Let's assume for sake of easy math that other earthmoving equipment has a comparable enough emission rate that we can just call it the same. If it takes 10000 pieces of earthmoving equipment 10 years to dig a canal (a complete wild-assed guess, admittedly), that works out to 6.6 million tons of CO₂.
Per my previous comment, we'd established a long-way extra emissions rate of ~20000 tons (19.6k metric tons is 19.9 and small change thousand long tons; call it 20k for easy math) per ship, per trip.
Remember that, to calculate whether the canal is a "clear winner" in terms of emissions, we have to compare the emissions saved by ships using the canal, not the extra burned by ships that don't. At 17 and a half thousand ships in 2015, saving 20000 tons of emissions each, that's 350 million tons in 2015 alone — over fifty times our estimate of the emissions from constructing the canal.
Yes, it's WAG envelope math, but even if we up the estimate by an order of magnitude — 100000 pieces of equipment over 10 years, or 10000 pieces over 100 years, or however you want to factor it out — that's still a five-fold win, in just one year. On a canal that's been in operation for some 150 years.
So, yeah. Unless someone can offer better numbers than I have, I'm going to run with "clear winner", thanks.
All that aside, I'm not even going to attempt to rebut to your naïve optimism over technology and good ol' Team Humanity's problem-solving spirit coming along to save the day, or your blasé "Extinctions, shmextinctions" tone. They're, IMO, premised on beliefs so divergent from reality, they don't even warrant the effort.
According to numbers I found, an "average" bulldozer burns 4 gallons of diesel an hour, yielding an annual emission rate of around 66 tons. Let's assume for sake of easy math that other earthmoving equipment has a comparable enough emission rate that we can just call it the same. If it takes 10000 pieces of earthmoving equipment 10 years to dig a canal (a complete wild-assed guess, admittedly), that works out to 6.6 million tons of CO₂.
Per my previous comment, we'd established a long-way extra emissions rate of ~20000 tons (19.6k metric tons is 19.9 and small change thousand long tons; call it 20k for easy math) per ship, per trip.
Remember that, to calculate whether the canal is a "clear winner" in terms of emissions, we have to compare the emissions saved by ships using the canal, not the extra burned by ships that don't. At 17 and a half thousand ships in 2015, saving 20000 tons of emissions each, that's 350 million tons in 2015 alone — over fifty times our estimate of the emissions from constructing the canal.
Yes, it's WAG envelope math, but even if we up the estimate by an order of magnitude — 100000 pieces of equipment over 10 years, or 10000 pieces over 100 years, or however you want to factor it out — that's still a five-fold win, in just one year. On a canal that's been in operation for some 150 years.
So, yeah. Unless someone can offer better numbers than I have, I'm going to run with "clear winner", thanks.
All that aside, I'm not even going to attempt to rebut to your naïve optimism over technology and good ol' Team Humanity's problem-solving spirit coming along to save the day, or your blasé "Extinctions, shmextinctions" tone. They're, IMO, premised on beliefs so divergent from reality, they don't even warrant the effort.