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Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by txdv on Monday February 29, 2016 @03:16AM (#11194219)
Too bad it still doesn't have SATA, USB3 and Gigabit Ethernet.But this is already big step forward, wifi, bluetooth and a better cpu for the same price. The next generation will look even more promising. Currently I am just using my obsolete wifi dongle for my rasp
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by bubuga on Monday February 29, 2016 @04:55AM (#11194524)
> Too bad it still doesn't have SATA, USB3 and Gigabit Ethernet.

It costs $35 and comes with ethernet, wifi, and a quad-core processor.

Furthermore, it's fully supported in linux.

That's terribly awesome for what it is.

A decade ago you had to spend 50x that amount of cash to get a laptop with those specs, without linux support.

No matter how you cut it, the Raspberry Pi 3 is not bad from any angle. At all.

Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by fit2rule on Monday February 29, 2016 @09:44AM (#11195684)
>That's terribly awesome for what it is.

Truly awesome, yes indeed .. and from my perspective, completely out of left-field. Fact is, this kind of evolution rewards those who invest in the platform, and is definitely a key indicator of a successful platform strategy, wherein the benefits of standardization and compatibility, applied along Moorse curve, results in the platform becoming more and more useful. Really great that they're able to maintain the price-point, the form-factor, GPIO compatibility, and so on; all the while pushing the platform into "workstation-class" territory, bit by bit.

The only thing that would make it better .. truly, the only thing .. is if we had the ability to go up to 16gigs of RAM. RAM is lacking, but still the machine is awesome. (I'll just assume that the next $35 investment in the rPi dream that I'll make, will fix this issue..)

I've ordered rPi 3, I'm a true believer, for it to sit atop a bundle of stacks of every other rPi released so far .. and, it seems, the rPi revolution is beneficial to everyone.

I mean, this class of workstation device, for a Linux desktop system, for .. ~$50 worth of investment .. phenomenal!

I hope we see more stuff like this, and it forces the mobile power-horses to re-consider bundling the compiler onboard.

Fun Fact: with this new rev of rPi, I can develop software for the fleet-of-rPi's like never before, i.e. it'll be usable enough to just ditch the cross-compiler and other bunk needed to maintain dominance in a tech-soaked garden of various walls, smokes and mirrors .. so instead of giving my customers an App-store link this year, I think I'll just put the working system in the mail.

Bonanza!

Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by JohnBooty on Monday February 29, 2016 @01:49PM (#11197263)
> The only thing that would make it better .. truly, the only thing .. is if we had the ability to go up to 16gigs of RAM.

Yeah, I keep thinking about how a tiny device with oodles of RAM would be such a killer Redis or static asset server. Or even a killer database server, for read-heavy loads.

Although am not even sure if that would be possible in the near future - for SoC's like the BCM2837, the RAM is on the same chip as the CPU+GPU, right? I don't even know if it would be feasible to build gobs of RAM into a package like that.

Of course, RPi's are still freaking awesome, and I am happy they exist.

Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by fanf2 on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @03:15AM (#11201398)
No, the RAM is a separate chip. On the BCM2835 devices they use a package-on-package arrangement so on casual inspection they look like the same chip. On the Pi 2 and Pi 3 the RAM is on the bottom of the board.

There is apparently an architectural limit in the Videocore 4 that limits it to 1Gbyte.

Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by txdv on Monday February 29, 2016 @05:36AM (#11194664)
I'm not sayings its a bad deal, I just personally hoped for usb 3.0 or sata for faster connected IO, or gigabit ethernet for faster remote IO
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by keenerd on Monday February 29, 2016 @06:28AM (#11194841)
You probably want a computer designed around performance instead of "community". Check out the Odroid C2. It's got a 64 bit quad core CPU (just* like the Pine and RPi3) but clocked at 2GHz. And has real gigabit. And has twice as much ram. And can drive a 4k screen comfortably. Sadly no USB3. You can get that, but in boards that cost $70.

The C2 goes on sale in like one or two days for $40. (edit: You can buy in now on HK's website.) Kind of a childish move for the RPi Foundation to be making so much noise about their new board right now, actually. (edit: Okay, benbenben makes a fair and accurate point. Several boards, including the first, have been released at the end of February.)

* Not entirely just like. It's an Amlogic chip instead of Broadcom or Allwinner. Amlogic is one of the few without blatant GPL abuse.

Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by benbenben on Monday February 29, 2016 @06:57AM (#11194944)
"Kind of a childish move for the RPi Foundation to be making so much noise about their new board right now, actually."

It's their fourth birthday, a pretty good time to release a new/updated product, no?

Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by downtide on Monday February 29, 2016 @05:31PM (#11199215)
1st birthday?
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by keenerd on Monday February 29, 2016 @07:44AM (#11195101)
True, my bad.
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by rasz_pl on Monday February 29, 2016 @07:24AM (#11195028)
odroid? you forgot $20 shipping for $40 board.
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by keenerd on Monday February 29, 2016 @07:31AM (#11195053)
Only if you order directly from Korea. Normally you buy from a distributor. For example, Ameridroid will be shipping the C2 on March 4th and their fee is $6.75.
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by rtpg on Monday February 29, 2016 @05:44AM (#11194695)
The machine is also likely not fast enough to take advantage of those speeds
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by hatsunearu on Monday February 29, 2016 @12:59PM (#11196939)
Yeah, if you run iperf3 on a raspi, it can't even saturate it's 100Mbps connection!
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by stuaxo on Monday February 29, 2016 @03:48PM (#11198360)
Yup = Built in Bluetooth and WIFI is great ... really would love SATA and USB3 in a future version..
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by notacoward on Tuesday March 01, 2016 @03:18AM (#11201405)
> It costs $35 and comes with ethernet, wifi, and a quad-core processor.

That's not all that much of a differentiator. The Banana Pi Pro only costs $12.89 more on Amazon. It doesn't have built-in wifi and it's dual- instead of quad-core, but it does have real SATA and better video. If I weren't perfectly happy with the Odroid U3 I've been using as a Linux desktop for the last couple of years, I'd probably lean toward that instead of the RP3, but that's not the point. The point is that SATA would be a nice addition, and not unreasonable at this approximate price point, even if the RP3 is already awesome.

Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by LeoPanthera on Monday February 29, 2016 @03:22AM (#11194238)
If it had all those things it would be a PC, with a price tag to match. If you need those things, build a PC.
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by astannard on Monday February 29, 2016 @03:44AM (#11194299)
The Orange Pi 2 Plus has sata and about the same price
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by tehbeard on Monday February 29, 2016 @03:56AM (#11194336)
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by flowless on Monday February 29, 2016 @04:44AM (#11194484)
Exactly. And limited to 15MB/s writes.
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by mkoryak on Monday February 29, 2016 @11:07AM (#11196229)
I made the mistake once of buying an orange pi. I thought, hey, this has better specs, so its better.

I was wrong. Horrible support, 2 of the usb ports never worked. The community is non existent compared to rpi.

Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by voltagex_ on Monday February 29, 2016 @04:34AM (#11194451)
I haven't seen anything with directly connected SATA outside of iMX6 boards, and the pins aren't always connected. What did the Ax0 based Cubieboards use?
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by makomk on Monday February 29, 2016 @04:55AM (#11194528)
The original Cubieboards used on-chip AHCI SATA controllers. Allwinner dropped it from their newer chips, presumably because they're targeting tablet use and there's no need for them.
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by gruturo on Monday February 29, 2016 @03:41PM (#11198298)
Olimex boards have a direct SATA connection. This is on a Lime-A10 with a cheap 2.5" 1TB drive, about 70% full so some fragmentation etc:

# dd if=/dev/zero of=6G bs=1M count=6144

6144+0 records in

6144+0 records out

6442450944 bytes (6.4 GB) copied, 136.176 s, 47.3 MB/s

# dd if=6G of=/dev/null bs=1M

6144+0 records in

6144+0 records out

6442450944 bytes (6.4 GB) copied, 93.6363 s, 68.8 MB/s

Also they have a nice battery connector, they'll keep the battery charged and switch to it if main power fails (and even keep the SATA drive powered (not sure if you plug a 3.5" one, though)).

Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by keenerd on Monday February 29, 2016 @12:41PM (#11196832)
Is native sata that much better than a usb3 adapter? All of the chips that offered sata were SATA 2.0, or 300MB/s. USB3 goes up to 625MB/s.

If a board with SATA 3.0 existed, that is still just 600MB/s.

Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by notacoward on Monday February 29, 2016 @07:39AM (#11195080)
The Banana Pi Pro (not the regular Banana Pi) is the only one I know of that has real SATA.
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by cnvogel on Monday February 29, 2016 @10:41AM (#11196051)
Allwinner A20 has directly connected SATA.
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by kayoone on Monday February 29, 2016 @05:40AM (#11194678)
pretty sure the CPU could not even remotely saturate USB3 or Gigabit Ethernet
Re:Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale by awqrre on Monday February 29, 2016 @01:06PM (#11196979)
And still so many people choose it as file server...