Liberal, Harsh Denmark

Re:Liberal, Harsh Denmark by MIKarlsen on Saturday February 27, 2016 @04:35AM (#11186632)

As a dane, I would like to point out that the largest group of "Muslisms-not-welcome" are the people who are seemingly at the bottom of society. They are the ones spewing uneducated nonsense on social media, and in general, have no idea what they are talking about. Most of the time, their "solution" is simply to "send them home". I feel bad for this group of people living in fear, when there's (perhaps) not that much to fear. I can however understand that you would feel threatened when you don't have an education, and can see the government trying to help refugees by offering them the same jobs you would be applying for.

Also, if you have any questions regarding this whole matter, I would like to answer them as best as possible.

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Re:Liberal, Harsh Denmark by flexie on Saturday February 27, 2016 @06:03AM (#11186773)

The US has still only welcomed 2,300 refugees. That is less than Denmark, a country the size of the state of Maryland, received per month this fall. In one week alone, Denmark received 11,000 refugees from the Middle East. I'd like to see the reaction in American media if you received 300/6 x 10,000 = 500,000 refugees in one week. Denmark received 21,000 official asylum seekers in 2015, most in the second half of the year, and mostly young men from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. That is like if the US received 1 million. And on top of that a much larger number seemingly just traveling through.

With 31 governors refusing to receive any Syrian refugees at all (and so too your likely next president) I think Americans should keep the Euro bashing at a minimum.

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Re:Liberal, Harsh Denmark by adventured on Saturday February 27, 2016 @06:54AM (#11186862)

The US is and has been taking massive numbers of refugees from Latin America (how many are European nations taking from Latin America?). Latin America over the last 30 years has witnessed a lot of chaos, war, huge murder rates, etc. of nearly the scale Syria is seeing. The murder rate in Honduras for example is half the casualty rate of the Syrian civil war. How Honduras isn't considered an active war zone I don't know. If Honduras were the size of Syria, it would have seen upwards of 100,000 murders in just the last five years. In just seven years in Mexico, around 164,000 people were murdered in the cartel wars.

The US has taken in 10 million immigrants (twice the population of Denmark) from just Mexico in the last 30 some years. You don't think those people are every bit as much refugees as the people of Syria? They've fled intense poverty and domestic war, and they're willing to die to try to get across the US border to a better life.

How much more do you think the US can absorb exactly?

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Re:Liberal, Harsh Denmark by pingou on Saturday February 27, 2016 @05:59AM (#11186765)

I'm not sure I understand, you say they have no idea what they're talking about, but understand that they may feel threatened by immigrants taking their jobs. Seems like a not so irrational fear. The article is even taking about others problems "Though Muslims make up less than 5 percent of the population, there is growing evidence that many of the new arrivals fail to enter the workforce, are slow to learn Danish, and end up in high-crime immigrant neighborhoods where, while relying on extensive state handouts, they and their children are cut off from Danish society".

As a french guy, I think people should be really cautious about taking a large proportion of (relatively) poor people less educated than natives, sure it makes you feel good about yourself, then you realize that these people are more likely to be unemployed, criminals, and discriminated. I don't think it makes a country more tolerant, I think the opposite happens, prejudices simply grow, and not only without rational explanation. And 40 years later you have gigantic problems.

Are french people of Arab descent discriminated in France for example? Yes I think so, and I'm pretty sure it would not be the case if the only Arab immigrants France had taken had been very educated people. Presumably the prejudice about them now would be that they are very educated/successful.

Sure France did a terrible job at integrating immigrants from Arab countries, and I'm 100% sure Danemark will do better. Still, it's very difficult.

I'm seeing it right now in Europe, helping these refugees didn't make the countries more tolerant, it only had the opposite effect of giving more power to far-right parties.

Isn't Danemark already relying on the "solution" of "sending more and more of them home"?

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Re:Liberal, Harsh Denmark by clevernickname on Saturday February 27, 2016 @09:19PM (#11189491)

Of course those at the bottom of society fear uneducated immigrants the most, they're the ones that will have to compete with them for jobs and share the most space with them.

The middle and upper classes can afford to feel nice about supporting unrestricted immigration for the longest, because they don't have to see or acknowledge the problems it causes until it's too late.

You see the same kind of hypocrisy in the US west coast, where wealthy liberals treat poor southern conservatives with contempt and ridicule for their "racist" opinions of immigrants... up until the "white tech dudebros" started moving into their cities, at which point they used every law on the books to impede development and prevent newcomers from integrating into their society...

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Re:Liberal, Harsh Denmark by mercurial on Saturday February 27, 2016 @06:07AM (#11186783)

As a non-Dane living in DK, I feel the conservative viewpoint has seeped into the mainstream, in part due to good old-fashioned fear-mongering. That said, I do think there are real questions about integration, when you look at unemployment numbers in immigrant ghettos, they're not pretty.

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Re:Liberal, Harsh Denmark by guard-of-terra on Saturday February 27, 2016 @05:21AM (#11186707)

You are used to having poor and stupid people being right and anti-immigration, easy to mock, with stupid arguments.

Brace yourself, a new wave of anti-immigration thinkers arrive, like me. We are educated, we are smart, we are non-dogmatic. Now it will be the left whose arguments will look stupid and unwieldy. You better prepare your best thing.

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