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Re:Why Tech Degrees Are Not Putting More Blacks and Hispanic... by protomyth on Friday February 26, 2016 @04:24PM (#11184365)
> How could any programmer worth his/her salt would not know about a whiteboard interview?

A lot of schools don't teach anything about interviewing. Its not academic. In fact, a lot of the training videos used in schools that do teach "job skills" to prepare students make no mention of white board interviews. They talk about being polite, wearing a suit, grooming, etc.

Judging an academic program on if they have ever been exposed to a whiteboard interview is fairly silly. I never saw on in 20 years.

As to your last paragraph, I'm not sure what role culture would play in introducing people to whiteboard interviews. I guess I grew up in a different environment, but I don't remember any of my urban white friends extolling the annual whiteboard festival. I can see it being a economic function of better schooling though.

Re:Why Tech Degrees Are Not Putting More Blacks and Hispanic... by geebee on Friday February 26, 2016 @06:34PM (#11185113)
Maybe it's changed by now, but I was caught badly off guard by my first technical "interview" (exam) out of college. I thought it would be more or less a normal "interview", the tell me about yourself, your interests, your coursework kind of thing. I was completely unprepared for the whiteboard exam part of the interview, which was in C++ (Java was a brand new thing back then) and involved algorithms and data structures (just a linked list, mainly, but with pointers and so forth thrown in).

I failed it miserably. Honestly, the experience left me kind of embarrassed and metaphorically beaten up for a while. Kind of like I'd claimed to be a programmer and had been revealed to be a fraud.

By this point (almost 20 years later), I've been through this wringer so many times that it seems like common knowledge. It doesn't really bother me at this point. But now that I think of it, yeah, I was unprepared for this and unaware of it.

I'm used to this sort of thing now, but I still think it's an usual and really unpleasant part of our industry. Most knowledge based fields really don't have anything like this sort of interview/exam (seriously, it's almost a pure exam, I think that describing it as an interview is simply misleading to people who aren't aware of what goes on in our field) - though most fields have a more standardized set of credentialing and degree programs.

I do think that the mysterious, unpredictable, and stressful nature of tech exam interviews deters a lot of people from entering or remaining in this field.

Re:Why Tech Degrees Are Not Putting More Blacks and Hispanic... by duaneb on Friday February 26, 2016 @04:40PM (#11184478)
> They talk about being polite, wearing a suit, grooming, etc.

Yikes, that's even worse. Some cultures will actively hold a suit against a candidate. I can't say I agree with that, but it's a little scary that they're giving stock advice to a highly dynamic field, very little of which is relevant. (Polite is good, being relaxed is better. Being suited is good, being comfortable is better.)

Re:Why Tech Degrees Are Not Putting More Blacks and Hispanic... by bsder on Friday February 26, 2016 @05:11PM (#11184680)
> Some cultures will actively hold a suit against a candidate.

Most places I've been wouldn't hold this against a new grad.

However, some places might hold this against a more senior person as being tone deaf toward the position he's going to be in. Nevertheless, I might wear a suit if the CEO, CTO, etc. was going to be part of my interview loop. But, I'll probably ditch the jacket and tie for the VP of Engineering.

Re:Why Tech Degrees Are Not Putting More Blacks and Hispanic... by protomyth on Friday February 26, 2016 @04:46PM (#11184522)
There are still quite a few places that will reject a candidate out of hand for not wearing a suit. I find that troubling, just as I would find the opposite troubling.

Well, stock advise is basically what text book publishers do.

Re:Why Tech Degrees Are Not Putting More Blacks and Hispanic... by duaneb on Friday February 26, 2016 @05:32PM (#11184793)
> There are still quite a few places that will reject a candidate out of hand for not wearing a suit. I find that troubling, just as I would find the opposite troubling.

Agreed, this is an indication of toxic culture on both sides.

HOWEVER. I would say aside from the grooming bit, the whiteboarding advice is the best possible advice for anyone. My mother can happily tell me to wear a suit, but she's not in a position to educate me about my field. A school had better fucking be, or what is the point? The technical knowledge—if they teach it at all—is itself is easier gained online than from a school.

Re:Why Tech Degrees Are Not Putting More Blacks and Hispanic... by bobosha on Friday February 26, 2016 @04:41PM (#11184482)
A whiteboard is just a proxy for ability to think on one's feet and problem solve under pressure. It could just as well have been a workstation, a paper and pen....
Re:Why Tech Degrees Are Not Putting More Blacks and Hispanic... by protomyth on Friday February 26, 2016 @04:43PM (#11184493)
which aren't taught either in the context of a job interview - watch some of the "amazing", "real life" training videos you can get from book publishers.
Re:Why Tech Degrees Are Not Putting More Blacks and Hispanic... by bobosha on Friday February 26, 2016 @04:48PM (#11184543)
if you need to be taught that...then you know the answer.