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Re:Cook: 'This Is Not What Should Be Happening in This Country' by bcook on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:23PM (#11177913)
Guns are related to privacy?
Re:Cook: 'This Is Not What Should Be Happening in This Country' by zw123456 on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:28PM (#11177954)
2nd amendment vs. 4th amendment. Why is one more important than the other ? once there is a precedent to bypass the 4th ? I just think it is something to think about. I get it that it is not a perfect analogy.
Re:Cook: 'This Is Not What Should Be Happening in This Country' by baddox on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:40PM (#11178044)
Most people aren't going to just come out and say that they think one amendment is more important than another. They will just interpret each amendment to be compatible with their beliefs. Someone who proposes stricter gun control will interpret the 2nd amendment as a reference only to militias, or they might argue that there is a gun death epidemic in the US that is worth a "small" violation of the 2nd amendment. Similarly, someone who approves of the government's ability to decrypt a phone might argue that the threat of terrorist is worth a "small" violation of the 4th amendment.
Re:Cook: 'This Is Not What Should Be Happening in This Country' by ars on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:35PM (#11178001)
> precedent to bypass the 4th

You mean like a search warrant?

That's a pretty old precedent...........

Re:Cook: 'This Is Not What Should Be Happening in This Country' by jMyles on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:53PM (#11178133)
What does a search warrant have to do with this controversy?
Re:Cook: 'This Is Not What Should Be Happening in This Country' by ars on Thursday February 25, 2016 @05:26PM (#11178335)
You are asking me what a search warrant has to do with the 4th amendment? I think you are equipped to answer that yourself.
Re:Cook: 'This Is Not What Should Be Happening in This Country' by jMyles on Thursday February 25, 2016 @05:53PM (#11178497)
No, I'm asking what a search warrant has to do with whether Apple can be required to modify the software of an iPhone under the All Writs Act.
Re:Cook: 'This Is Not What Should Be Happening in This Country' by bobwaycott on Thursday February 25, 2016 @05:56PM (#11178519)
A search warrant is not in any way a bypass of the 4th amendment.
Re:Cook: 'This Is Not What Should Be Happening in This Country' by XorNot on Thursday February 25, 2016 @05:09PM (#11178235)
The 4th uses the term "unreasonable" quite specifically in regards to the right to privacy.

It also has no specific stipulations for the deceased, who by definition almost don't have a right to privacy.

Re:Cook: 'This Is Not What Should Be Happening in This Country' by bcook on Thursday February 25, 2016 @05:08PM (#11178231)
Yeah, I agree. I was only criticizing the analogy (which I fumbled), because privacy itself is a very complex topic without involving it with gun rights.
Re:Cook: 'This Is Not What Should Be Happening in This Country' by jonesb6 on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:26PM (#11177937)
In the Unites States, yes.

I personally do not hold this opinion, but many gun owners see gun ownership as an inalienable right and any attempt to limit or take it away as a violation of privacy and overreaching by the government.

Re:Cook: 'This Is Not What Should Be Happening in This Country' by zw123456 on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:35PM (#11178006)
I agree. To me the relationship is government over reach. I think it is too much to ask Apple to write a back door into their product. I can see getting a warrant to look at phone records etc. I am a gun owner but not fanatical, I am ok with some reasonable controls. The key in both cases, 2nd and 4th amendment restrictions is reasonableness. But that is always in the eye of the beholder, hence the controversy.