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Re:Insecure by design: protocols for encrypted phone calls by adwf on Thursday February 25, 2016 @10:27AM (#11175016)
Yeah, it's really easy to criticise the US and UK at the moment, because they're the only ones that have had their documents leaked.

If anyone thinks that France, Germany and others aren't doing the exact same stuff, then they're very mistaken.

Re:Insecure by design: protocols for encrypted phone calls by nickik on Thursday February 25, 2016 @03:20PM (#11177491)
Germany has the most active community fighting against this stuff and is far, far better then the US,UK or France. France itself is quite bad, but not to the point of US or the UK.

The UK is so bad that the NSA has more rights in the UK then in the US.

Re:Insecure by design: protocols for encrypted phone calls by adwf on Thursday February 25, 2016 @05:39PM (#11178412)
My point was that no-one knows what the French and German governments are upto in secret, because it is still secret. It hasn't been leaked. The only reason the US and the UK are getting so much press is because their programs have.

The UK's surveillance program was even ruled illegal once it was found out what they were doing. So what if a lot of the German public are against surveillance - so are a lot of Brits - they just don't know what their government is doing in secret.

I'd bet everything I own the French and Germans and every other major country are doing the exact same stuff.

Re:Insecure by design: protocols for encrypted phone calls by nickik on Thursday February 25, 2016 @07:08PM (#11178916)
I don't know about France, at least publicly they are not very excepting of privacy arguments, specially after Paris. I have no idea about the secret part.

Germany is somewhat different because of its history. We know quite a bit about what the BND does, in terms of monitoring extremist groups. We have pirates in pretty important positions and the CCC is regularly working with government in oversight commissions.

It is pretty hard to hide all that you are doing, both in terms of physical infrastructure and in terms of financials. Now it may be that the BND is extremely clever and hiding all of this from basically everybody. However given the competence displayed by the BND on various action that they have taken, it is a really hard sell that they are operating a infrastructure close to the US or UK one.

Re:Insecure by design: protocols for encrypted phone calls by adwf on Thursday February 25, 2016 @07:31PM (#11179031)
Yeah, but when you see the outrage that Merkel displayed over finding out her phone had been tapped by the NSA; do you seriously believe that the BND haven't tried the exact same thing on Obama or Cameron when they're in Germany?

My point is that a lot of the outrage is only because the UK and US are the only ones we know of.

Re:Insecure by design: protocols for encrypted phone calls by nickik on Friday February 26, 2016 @10:59AM (#11182029)
I am talking about broad mass surveillance not individual acts of espionage.
Re:Insecure by design: protocols for encrypted phone calls by dogma1138 on Friday February 26, 2016 @02:39PM (#11183574)
Yes and Germany still spied on at least 2 us Secretaries of State and Turkey.

Countries spy for most of them it would irresponsible not to do so because riding on the high horse doesn't have much rewards on its own.