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Re:List of failed and over-budget custom software projects by detaro on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @10:14AM (#11167290)
They don't employ the developers. The development is done by companies that might pay the developers that much, but bill the client more per hour and bill the client more time. And of course you can't forget project managers, architects and other consultants that are more expensive. And have a lot of meetings. And hardware, and oracle databases/SAP licenses, and support contracts for those, and audits, and extra charges for change requests, and travel budgets, and...

Just because one team of developers could do something in 200 man hours doesn't mean you can't spend and bill 2000 for it.

And that's just development. Data migrations and user training/support are going to be massive issues if you replace or newly introduce a widely used system.

Re:List of failed and over-budget custom software projects by organsnyder on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @11:17AM (#11167832)
> Data migrations and user training/support are going to be massive issues if you replace or newly introduce a widely used system.

Yup. My employer is undertaking a massive IT project (many many many millions of USD), and it's my understanding that training accounts for over half of the budget.

Re:List of failed and over-budget custom software projects by orf on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @11:19AM (#11167855)
> Just because one team of developers could do something in 200 man hours doesn't mean you can't spend and bill 2000 for it.

It doesn't mean you should pay, or plan, to spend 20,000 man hours in meetings and devote huge chunks of your budget to expensive licenses for something that could take 200 man hours, especially when it's taxpayers money.

Sure there are unavoidable overheads but why does our government keep splashing billions on them and failing, with little accountability?

Training is going to be expensive, sure, but perhaps plow millions of pounds into that after the program is finished. Maybe don't use the same massive, costly consultancies that fail to deliver? The Obamacare website was a great example of this IMO. Costly consultancy failed to deliver, small agile teams brought in to save the day - if only a bit too late.

Re:List of failed and over-budget custom software projects by Lawtonfogle on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @03:35PM (#11170031)
Basically all the laws that are written to avoid government abuse and corruption create a corrupted system of regulatory capture.

Here is the simplest example. Say you need a device that does X. Now, I can go down to the local hardware store and pick up a device that does X (and Y and Z) for $40. But the law is written so that I can't just buy it where I want, because I might be wasteful and I might buy it from my buddy. So instead, I have to put out a bid that says I want a device that can do X and only select whom ever wins a bid. But there are a lot of regulations in who can bid, so the local hardware store doesn't ever even try. So I say I want a device that does X, and I end up getting a couple offers, the best of which is a device that barely does X for $200. That is the best offer I receive, so I have to take it. So now I have a much worse device at a much higher cost. Now, multiply this with every single thing you need to pay for in a software project (including other software, licenses, hardware, manpower, even the paper to print specs on).

Re:List of failed and over-budget custom software projects by FollowSteph3 on Thursday February 25, 2016 @09:13AM (#11174486)
I wrote a blog post explaining exactly this in detail based on my previous experience doing government contracts. I called it why a hammer costs $5000: http://www.followsteph.com/2011/11/22/why-does-a-hammer-cost...
Re:List of failed and over-budget custom software projects by petra on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @07:53PM (#11171597)
>> the best of which is a device that barely does X for $200.

OK, after we did the bid, and that's the result, why can't i just go buy something if it's less than half the price ? even if i buy it from my buddy, as long as it fits ?

Re:List of failed and over-budget custom software projects by jjoonathan on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @11:27PM (#11172389)
Because your buddy was secretly cutting corners using Chinese chips that have a backdoor. Or chips that weren't bonded to spec and last only 2 months in the desert heat.

That's the theory anyway.

Re:List of failed and over-budget custom software projects by Lawtonfogle on Friday February 26, 2016 @09:37AM (#11181553)
Because that would be corruption by official definition and the winner of the bid would sue. And that happens even if you don't buy it from your buddy but by an industry standard part from an industry standard supplier for the private sector.
Re:List of failed and over-budget custom software projects by Avshalom on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @12:01PM (#11168222)
The U.S. Government* isn't allowed to say "we want to spend this much money for this thing" they can only say "we want this thing" and then take the "best" offer they get, a fact known by all the companies bidding, and by all the companies I mean the one company that has jumped through all the legal hoops necessary to allow them to bid.

*I know UC is British and while I suspect they have similar constraints I won't swear to it.

Re:List of failed and over-budget custom software projects by sliverstorm on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @06:31PM (#11171115)
And of course you can't forget project managers, architects...

Which, IMO, are extremely important investments in any 20,000-developer undertaking. Valve Software is famous for having a relatively flat hierarchy, but they also have ~330 employees.