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Re:Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about th... by danieltillett on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @06:36AM (#11165966)
In theory workers co-operatives are this, but they have a habit of not doing so well in the real world. It is a really interesting question why this is the case. Why should a business owned by a capitalist for their own benefit be able to outcompete a workers co-operative?
Re:Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about th... by jasode on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @07:04AM (#11166080)
>It is a really interesting question why this is the case. Why should a business owned by a capitalist for their own benefit be able to outcompete a workers co-operative?

Because 99.9% of typical workers don't have the money to build the business.

Take for example, Google Inc. origins in 1998. Both L Page and S Brin came from upper middle class families but neither of their bank accounts nor their parents' bank accounts had $25 million to spend on a business. It's also doubtful if either family could have been approved for a $25m unsecured business loan from a bank. Likewise, Google's first 100 employeees also didn't collectively have $25 million. On the other hand, VCs like Sequioa and KPCB did have $25 million to invest. Later on, more investors bought IPO shares totaling $1.9 billion. There is no union of workers that can pool together that kind of cash.

Since a co-op by definition must be owned by the workers, the question is no longer "interesting" with a mysterious answer. Instead, it's tautological. If you look at the typical workers' modest savings as the ceiling for funding a business, it's obvious why they can't compete with businesses built by investors/capitalists money. While WorkersOwnedSearchEngine Inc scrapes together $30,000 from their owners-workers' savings accounts to buy a 5th rack server from dell.com, Google Inc. can use a fraction of its $2 billion war chest to buy an entire data center and also break ground on a brand new one.

Re:Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about th... by spacecowboy_lon on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @07:22AM (#11166162)
That (access to capital) is the big issue for coops. I used to be a member of a UK coop in the technical space (poptel) and we did do some work with VC funding.

As long as the coop members have 50% +1 that ok but it can go wrong (thank you very much ICANN) as we found at poptel.

The other problem is the coop movement in general is very old fashioned and isn't really embracing technical changes. Which is a pity as if poptel had been brought out by the main uk coop we woudl have all had a very nice 6 figure payday.

Re:Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about th... by tehbeard on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @06:50AM (#11166019)
Too many cooks spoil the broth? A single /small group of owners is more likely to reach a consensus quicker (no guarentee it'll be a good one, just quicker) than a larger group whose ideas/goals will be more diverse between each member, and more likely to be a compromise.
Re:Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about th... by spacecowboy_lon on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @07:24AM (#11166178)
Most workers even in coops don't want to engage with the political (small p ) side of it.

And you do get into silly arguments over exactly which version of STV you use ;-)

Re:Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about th... by DonaldFisk on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @10:12AM (#11167280)
John Lewis Partnership (http://www.johnlewispartnership.co.uk/) is a worker's cooperative in the UK and is doing pretty well. There are also successful consumer cooperatives (e.g. the Co-operative Group and mutual organizations/building societies (e.g. The Nationwide).
Re:Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about th... by js8 on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @08:02AM (#11166366)
I suspect there are several reasons:

1. Cooperatives don't have strong incentives to grow, because growing typically means more people and that means sharing of power, accordingly. Their growth is probably limited by trust.

2. When someone has the ability to start the company, they won't probably want to do it as a cooperative. It's harder to start a good cooperative than just a company. This is a corollary of 1.

3. It's much harder to raise capital for a cooperative because of possibly misaligned incentives. Even though capitalist's companies suffer from principal agent problem too, this is enough to dissuade many potential investors. Since cooperatives are not very common, this is a chicken-egg problem.

4. As someone else mentioned, democracies tend to be pretty conservative. This can be good in the long term, but makes them vulnerable to well-planned short term attacks from the outside.

Re:Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about th... by tatterdemalion on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @12:24PM (#11168425)
Workers cooperatives have a lot of difficulty growing into a large organizations because they would have to be federated if they did (workers cooperatives as usually organized in the US rely on the bonds that can be formed by a small group of member-owners to function effectively). A franchise model can be effective for retail/service coops. Arizmendi/Cheeseboard in the Bay Area is one of the most successful, with 6 locations.

Workers' coops also have limited access to capital and business expertise which can make them difficult to get started, but the reason they don't grow large is the reason above.

However, it is totally fine for workers coops to remain small businesses for their entire existence, all that would mean for is that we need more of them to be started.

Re:Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about th... by mattlutze on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @07:10AM (#11166116)
Sometimes, what the worker wants isn't the option that will make the most profit.
Re:Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about th... by mavelikara on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @01:11PM (#11168820)
> In theory workers co-operatives are this, but they have a habit of not doing so well in the real world.

Is the fraction of co-operatives that fail larger than the fraction of failures in alternative structures?

Re:Employees: looking for “the great boss who cares about th... by jahaja on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @11:30AM (#11167951)
Well what's driving people into starting a cooperative? An ambitious entrepreneur with capitalist growth ideals clearly won't chose it.