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Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by pricechild on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @10:48AM (#11159660)
> I then asked my wife for permission to spend five hundred and sixty dollars for a flight that I already had a free ticket for.

Why would this make sense? Surely there wouldn't be a benefit worth more than $560?

Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by edutechnion on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @11:00AM (#11159761)
If elite status results in a free upgrade on 20% of your flight segments, and you fly 50 segments per year: 10 upgrades to business class > $560
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by superuser2 on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @11:42AM (#11160130)
One upgrade to business class is already going to be a few hundred dollars. 10 exceeds it by a wide margin.
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by ryanlol on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @12:19PM (#11160467)
20%? What airline you're with, for "elite" statuses it's generally less than 20% of the flights that do not get upgraded. Obviously depends on availability on the specific flights though.
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by ropiku on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @03:25PM (#11162012)
On a long haul international flight ? I doubt it. It's hard to find even mile redemption availability.
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by lnanek2 on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @08:23PM (#11163787)
Depends on what you fly. I always used to fly first flight out of Newark preferentially compared to anything else out of Newark/LGA/JFK simply because I always got upgraded without fail. First flight out of Newark leaves before the mass transit gets running. So you can game the system to make sure there are seats to be upgraded to.
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by potatolicious on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @11:10AM (#11159842)
It depends on how you value the perks - many of them (access to the GS lounges, for example) can't actually be purchased so there's no "real" value for them besides how much they are worth to you.

If you're flying 50 times a year for business, lounge access may be worth substantially more to you than if you only flew a few times a year. Not to mention if you're going to be flying 50 times a year, that $560 means ~$10 per flight to make your experience substantially less awful.

Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by EvanKelly on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @11:43AM (#11160138)
I've occasionally gotten to a lounge access tier, but I've never used it. What's the benefit? I typically don't want to get to the airport earlier than I have to, and once you're at that level, security and boarding are a breeze.

I don't fly internationally much, so most of my flights are direct. Is it mostly for layovers?

Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by crdb on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @01:58PM (#11161324)
The biggest benefit for me internationally (flying long haul once or twice a month from SIN) is absolutely being able to take a shower between two long-haul flights and, if the lounge is not airside, shave (e.g. The Haven by JetQuay at SIN).

Peace and quiet is a second benefit. If you're waiting a couple of hours whilst sleep deprived (often the case for business travel or when booking budget flights that leave at 1:30am), those loud, constant announcements are very annoying. Bonus points if the airport has terrible seating and the lounge has comfortable sofas. If you need to work for a bit, it's a great place to do so, especially in airports that don't have free WiFi (increasingly rare these days).

The food is rarely good in Asia (at least at those lounges I have access to). Reheated noodles and some meat if you're lucky and flying at the right time. It's convenient, at most, saving you the trouble.

It really varies by city. HNL and NRT have terrible lounges for PP card holders - basically a room where you can sit for a while, sometimes with a free beer (but there is a great sushi-ya just opposite the NRT lounge). GVA has my favorite ones - nice view on mountains, usually empty (except if Aeroflot is flying soon...) and a decent breakfast with muesli and fresh bread and pastries. SIN lounges often have free massage chairs. Which are available for free in T3 as well, but it saves having to take the monorail there.

On timing, if you are flying long haul you can face serious delays (like a huge queue at check-in and security) and need to pad it by a couple hours. Most of the time, you don't face these delays and have a spare hour to kill, and in most airports the lounge is a better place to do so. Sort of applies to short haul too; I once missed LHR-GVA check-in on BA by a single minute and they were very annoying about it despite the empty airport (had to book another flight).

Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by steven2012 on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @11:20PM (#11164551)
The food in the Singapore airlines lounges in Hong Kong and Singapore are great.
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by b1twise on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @03:40PM (#11162134)
I used to skip the lounge access also, but its a nice perk. It has decent internet, some snacks until I eat on the plane, and foremost comfortable seating. I don't like a lot of noise around me as well, so its a break from the rest of the airport bustle. I fly business when available because many of my flights are 13hrs-ish. I'm oversized, so I literally have to fold myself up to fit within my space in coach. That's fine for 2hrs, but not more. I can't sleep sitting up. That's a long 13hrs staring at the seatback display of the plane going around the world.

I scored a mid-level membership once. I didn't go out of my way to do it. Nothing super good about it.

Oh, your luggage gets a priority tag and comes out first. In certain airports that can save an hour of your life.

But mostly its about accumulating miles on trips I'd be taking anyway. Essentially free upgrades, or entirely free flights. Just for joining their silly program. Why not?

I do the same with hotels.

Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by monknomo on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @11:46AM (#11160178)
It's nice for layovers and delays. It's also nice if you've just gotten off the plane and it's a long enough flight that you want to freshen up in a nicer, less crowded bathroom and then have a complimentary soda and cheese plate. That's how I've used it when I've had it.
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by eitally on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @12:03PM (#11160333)
It's terrific for layovers, and a lot of times you can find a shower if you want one. Having decently comfortable chairs, a more private and cleaner restroom, free snacks (sometimes real food, like in the Amex Centurion Lounges), good wifi and power outlets everywhere, and in some cases even business services (printer, phone rooms, etc).
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by yompers888 on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @03:35PM (#11162101)
Last time I flew, I was flying out late-ish from SF. Knowing the Amex lounge was near my gate, I was able to go surfing for a while rather than worrying about eating before my flight. I got there and was able to relax in decent chairs and tolerable wifi with some free drinks and dinner. Then on the way back, I took my 80 minute layover in Dallas as an opportunity to get a decent breakfast and have a nice place to sit, since my first flight that morning started at 5:30 AM eastern. Each time, the lounge just felt like an escape from the many filters and crowds of airports. I certainly wouldn't pay for access, but I appreciate the improvement in experience it affords me.
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by corbet on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @10:58AM (#11159741)
A single business-class upgrade on a long-haul flight way exceeds that.
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by curun1r on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @11:49AM (#11160210)
It costs that, but I've yet to be convinced that it's worth that. A cattle-class ticket and a Valium gets me to my destination in just as much comfort as that business class ticket would.
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by tamana on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @12:00PM (#11160315)
Valium will get you through most of life with as much comfort as any other way, but still...
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by mirimir on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @04:09PM (#11162358)
Until you run out of Valium ;)
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by tptacek on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @03:52PM (#11162232)
Serious (and weird) question: does valium help with flying that much? What is it like flying on valium?
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by niels_olson on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @04:58PM (#11162686)
Mainly, if you don't take valium much, on the rare occasions you use it, you pass out within minutes. And it feels like you go from stone sober to completely lit in those few minutes, which is quite pleasant. For one to a few hours you will sleep like the dead. With luck you'll sleep through the flight, or through the night, or whatever.

The next time, it won't work so well.

The next time, it won't work so well.

The next time, it won't work so well.

And down the path you go. Up the dose, etc, etc.

Don't use valium unless you have a real and only very occasional use for it. And try to keep that in mind: it's a use case. Not a need. You never need valium. You need food, and shelter from weather. But you don't need valium.

Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by peteretep on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @11:11PM (#11164514)
I fly long-haul more than most people, albeit mostly in business. I started taking valium for flying 7 years ago for a fear of flying when I was flying mostly economy. I started with 2mg, which was completely ineffective for anything, and then went to 15mg.

At the higher I didn't notice any effect, until the plane started bouncing, and then I realized I didn't care, which was perfect. I didn't notice any drowsiness at that level, which may have been due to adrenaline.

Over the course of 6 years, my regular dosage approached 50mg as I kept upping it whenever I started to get nervous flying. If taking it while I got on a plane, I didn't feel drowsy. It became not always effective.

About a year ago I made a conscious effort to wean myself off it over the course of 12 weeks, by flying a return business long-haul flight every week, and taking a little less each time, practicing the principles in Dr Claire Weekes "Freedom from Nervous Suffering" (essentially breathing exercises, although it's a little more nuanced), which is in fact a book for agoraphobics which someone had suggested to me. I got down to zero, but found under 10mg then turbulence still had fairly heavy emotional and physical effects on me.

Now I take 0-10mg when I fly. I don't notice any effects, other than I am less sensitive to turbluence. However, I exclusively fly business class rather than economy, which I suspect helps a massive amount.

During this time I also tried Propanalol at some high doses. I found it ineffective for fear of flying, but very very effective for giving presentations. However it started to make me short of breath, so I ditched it.

In terms of intoxicating yourself for flying, I have found Ambien to be highly effective. However, it seems many many people have bad side-effects from it - sleep-walking, etc - so unless you're totally certain you can handle it well, I don't know that I would recommend it. These days I'll settle for 10mg of valium and some alcohol.

Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by girvo on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @07:36PM (#11163591)
Depends, different people respond differently to benzodiazepines. For myself, a 5mg valium relaxes me but does not induce sleep. Similar to having a glass or two of wine, really. For others, they'll basically be knocked out. I'm not convinced it's necessary for flying myself, but if you have any sort of flight anxiety it can be a game-changer.
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by Nelson69 on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @04:28PM (#11162483)
I was on vacation when a trip to Beijing was planned for me. The secretary, for reasons I don't expect I'll ever know or understand, insisted on flying Eastern China Airlines. Complete with an extra stop in Shanghai... It might be different now (this was like 6 years ago) but it was very much "the people's airline" then. It wasn't just very tight seating with limited recline capacity, but there were some strong odors as well. Not sure a valium would have got it done. It's the only time I attempted to buy an upgrade mid-flight. The American flights to and from L.A. on the American side were delightful.

Maybe the idea was to help with the culture shock in the same way "getting jumped in" helps you adapt to gang-life.

Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by robotresearcher on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @05:21PM (#11162842)
It's nice to have the choice of using those hours for work. 10 hours of uninterrupted time in a comfy seat with snacks at hand and laptop in a good position can be great. In a middle-middle-seat in the back not so much.
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by untog on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @11:44AM (#11160154)
Well that's kind of the core of the article, no? In dollar amount alone, yes, there are benefits worth more than $560. But are they worth the money?

I have resigned myself to never taking a first class reward flight because I can get at least two economy trips with the same amount of miles. I just can't justify that to myself, despite the (more than 2x) dollar amounts attached.

Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by apercu on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @02:50PM (#11161740)
I had to do early morning flights to a city about an hour away pretty frequently for all days meetings, flight back same day.

With security this meant getting up at 4 to catch a 7:30 flight, to get to the meetings by 9:30, all day in a conference room, leave at 5 to get to the airport for a 7:30pm flight to get home by 9:30 or 10:00pm.

Flying business class changed the whole dynamic. I was fed a real breakfast in the morning instead of getting the shakes from a relatively empty stomach and too much coffee. I got a hot towel to wipe my face with and feel human when I showed up at the meeting.

On the way back a light dinner and a glass of wine with a little elbow room.

The extra 30% for business class was well worth it.

If I was staying overnight, perhaps not.

Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by coldcode on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @11:46AM (#11160174)
You aren't 2 meters tall.
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by untog on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @11:50AM (#11160218)
I'm not far off. Whenever possible I pay the $50 or whatever for an exit row seat on top of my economy reward.
Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by eitally on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @12:01PM (#11160318)
But god help you if you accidentally choose either a bulkhead seat or an exit seat that doesn't recline. SeatGuru is your friend.

(am also nearly 2m tall.)

Re:The Madness of Airline Élite Status by pc86 on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @02:23PM (#11161553)
About 6'6" for the Americans here (myself included).