Re:Telegram has now 100M Monthly Active Users
by ex3ndr on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @06:03AM
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Or you can wait for Actor - we are working on porting Signal's crypto to our platform and we are already have much better UX, Servers and full featured slack-like (but easier) desktop/web clients.
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Re:Telegram has now 100M Monthly Active Users
by drdaeman on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @08:31AM
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Is there any documentation about what Actor is? Can't immediately find one. Some sort of non-marketing overview that gives rough ideas on how everything works, with pointers on where to read for the fine details.
I mean, are you interconnected with something (Signal interop a-la WhisperPush on CM? XMPP with OMEMO and GCM/APN via XEP-0357? Telegram network with Axolotl overlay? Something else?) or you're yet another proprietary standalone network?
Re:Telegram has now 100M Monthly Active Users
by ex3ndr on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @08:41AM
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We have everything in our repo: https://github.com/actorapp/actor-platform
Protocol, for example: https://github.com/actorapp/actor-platform/tree/master/docs/...
Re:Telegram has now 100M Monthly Active Users
by drdaeman on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @09:35AM
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Thanks for the links. You should really update the website. No need for long fancy writeups, just add a section "for the curious what's under the hood" with a bunch of links, somewhere at the bottom.
Re:Telegram has now 100M Monthly Active Users
by newman314 on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @06:13AM
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Why not just help fix Signal?
Re:Telegram has now 100M Monthly Active Users
by ex3ndr on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @06:23AM
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We are much more powerful team for UX/performance. We build entire platform from scratch. Signal uses simplest existing technologies on top of only pubsub. We are just working very differently. Making correct multidevice/federation/apps/etc are larger part of the work then crypto (specs are ready).
It is much easier for us to integrate signal protocol to Actor instead of doing opposite.
Re:Telegram has now 100M Monthly Active Users
by jacalata on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @06:53AM
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It might be easier for you to do, but it seems like a worse end goal.
Re:Telegram has now 100M Monthly Active Users
by ex3ndr on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @07:31AM
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We can discuss this if you will explain why goal is worse.
Re:Telegram has now 100M Monthly Active Users
by jacalata on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @07:07PM
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Because people already use Signal and fragmentation of the secure messaging space makes it less useful.
Re:Telegram has now 100M Monthly Active Users
by ex3ndr on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @03:08AM
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When Signal will became federated network we can join networks together no problem here.
Re:Telegram has now 100M Monthly Active Users
by newman314 on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @01:18PM
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If you are going to build something new, I guess I'll throw my suggestion of Signal+Ricochet+Burner in.
* Signal - the crypto * Ricochet - no metadata leaking * Burner - the ability to have multiple IDs without trying to tie to PII
Last but not least, a commitment to have Actor code evaluated by credible outside security firm.
Re:Telegram has now 100M Monthly Active Users
by ex3ndr on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @02:47PM
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I have have a look after Ricochet it just uses Tor for clearing metadata. We had in the past prototypes with tor enabled messaging on mobile and it is not work as expected. Always too long to start on iOS (that can't execute in background), but we found a way to make it work much better i hope in some day we will be able to make it work together, but now it is much better to use tor proxy somewhere and point app to it. Not very user friendly.