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Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by vertex-four on Saturday February 20, 2016 @12:14PM (#11140910)
That sounds like you're treating this as a game. Fact of the matter is, if we leave the EU, a whole bunch of minorities lose a whole bunch of human rights protections. When this happens, the ability to lead a life of any sort decreases and suicide rates increase.

The UK being "kinda-sorta part of the EU" is not a wonderful thing, but being out of it entirely would be far worse for real people. Fight for more integration with the EU if that's your thing.

I'll note that Scotland would likely become independent and join the EU a few years after a British EU exit, but there's plenty of English, Welsh and Northern Irish people who'd get stuck.

Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by keithpeter on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:34PM (#11141239)
The Council of Europe[2] isn't same as the EU. The countries below [1] have ratified the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. I accept that enforcing some of the provisions of the Convention in some of the countries listed could be problematic. We sort of managed before 1973 (with shady areas that continued after 1973 just the same).

[1] http://www.echr.coe.int/Pages/home.aspx?p=press/factsheets&c...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe

Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by aembleton on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:33PM (#11141234)
What human rights protections will be lost by leaving? In fact, what legislation would be removed by leaving? Surely all existing EU legislation is enacted into British law via an act of parliament.
Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by Silhouette on Saturday February 20, 2016 @02:26PM (#11141501)
One possible consideration is that while the main European human rights provisions are separate from EU legislation and organisations in principle, membership of the EU does require being a signatory to the ECHR under the Maastricht Treaty. Unless there is a very significant element of Cameron's deal that is getting remarkably little coverage so far, there doesn't seem to be any proposal to change this as a result of the recent negotiations.

This creates an interesting political minefield for the UK's current Conservative government, since their stated policy is to abolish the Human Rights Act (the current UK legal foundation for respecting the ECHR) in favour of a British Bill of Rights, yet as of today their stated policy as a government is also to campaign to remain in the EU. These policies seem to be incompatible under Maastricht, not to mention almost polar opposites in the underlying philosophy they represent.

Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by venomsnake on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:25PM (#11141198)
Cameron started treating it as a game. I just want to play in such a way to make it best for europe. I am sick of British blackmail. Pax Britanica is over. It is a small regional player. And I want it seen treated as. such. And if minority protections are so important said minorities should have done more for preventing him to come to power.
Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by MLR on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:30PM (#11141217)
Categorising the UK as a small regional player shows a ridiculously limited world view.
Re:EU referendum: Cameron sets June date for UK vote by alexbilbie on Saturday February 20, 2016 @04:40PM (#11142082)
Britain is the second largest economy in Europe, the fifth largest economy in the world, the fourth military power, a leading member of the G7 and one of five permanent seat-holders on the UN Security Council.

Hardly a "small regional player".