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Re:When the Hospital Fires the Bullet by sebcat on Saturday February 20, 2016 @09:41AM (#11140177)
The good security guys don't work a hospital security job. As with everything else, you get what you pay for. The calm, humble, balanced types go for greener pastures.
Re:When the Hospital Fires the Bullet by DennisP on Saturday February 20, 2016 @10:38AM (#11140444)
The shooters were police officers, not regular hospital security.

NPR did a piece on this case last night. They emphasized that there are standard procedures for dealing with mentally unstable patients in a hospital setting, and the cops weren't trained in those procedures. They ended up escalating the situation.

They also interviewed a hospital security guard, who said the shooting was ridiculous. He said "We don't carry guns. We get hit all the time. We just deal with it."

That wasn't the police approach. One got hit, so they responded like they would on the street and deployed tasers, then lethal force, and followed up with felony charges.

Another issue was that the family asked for a mental health evaluation of the patient. Standard procedure is to immediately provide that upon request. Instead the hospital ignored it. Had they done a proper evaluation, the patient would have been moved to an area where they used regular security instead of police.

As of now the hospital is at risk of losing federal funding, if it doesn't reform its policies to the satisfaction of federal investigators, including better training for the cops and further restriction of their areas of operation.

Re:When the Hospital Fires the Bullet by cmurf on Saturday February 20, 2016 @11:47AM (#11140786)
On the one hand, it deserves to be shut down. On the other, its loss would be bad for the community due to lack of nearby hospital capacity and competition.

It's stupid that we now have this idea of competing hospitals. It's a competition to the most efficient lowest common denominator cost wise yet maximalized cash cow.

Seriously. Stay healthy. Stay away from doctors. Stay away from hospitals. (Family full of doctors who always say this.)

Re:When the Hospital Fires the Bullet by DennisP on Saturday February 20, 2016 @11:57AM (#11140838)
It looks like it's working out. Initially the CEO said their policies were fine and they would take the same actions again. Now that the feds threatened funding, the hospital is in fact making those changes.
Re:When the Hospital Fires the Bullet by chris_wot on Saturday February 20, 2016 @11:30AM (#11140710)
Except these officers were moonlighting as security guards. How is that even possible?
Re:When the Hospital Fires the Bullet by URSpider94 on Saturday February 20, 2016 @12:33PM (#11140989)
One of the standard perks of being a policeman in most jurisdictions is that you're allowed to take paid gigs off-hours as a security guard and use your gun and uniform, and in some cases your patrol car if it's assigned to you permanently as it is for many state police officers.
Re:When the Hospital Fires the Bullet by chris_wot on Saturday February 20, 2016 @05:47PM (#11142340)
That must make taking bribes hard to catch!
Re:When the Hospital Fires the Bullet by DennisP on Saturday February 20, 2016 @11:41AM (#11140754)
Cops do that all the time. A long time ago I had a part-time job doing security at a YMCA; on busy days we'd have off-duty police directing traffic. I talked with some of them, who said most of the cops take side jobs doing traffic or security. The department even had an official system for distributing the work.
Re:When the Hospital Fires the Bullet by davak on Saturday February 20, 2016 @09:59AM (#11140269)
Complete garbage.

Source -- My personal everyday experience.