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Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by charlesdm on Friday February 19, 2016 @11:25AM (#11134417)
This is the best way to get depressed. It's always significantly easier to negotiate a $1k raise than it is to reduce your spending on basic stuff by $1k.

Focus on earning more, not saving (on useless expenses).

Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by bwbmr on Friday February 19, 2016 @01:13PM (#11135275)
Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by kamaal on Friday February 19, 2016 @03:00PM (#11136159)
>>This is the best way to get depressed. It's always significantly easier to negotiate a $1k raise than it is to reduce your spending on basic stuff by $1k.

Ideally. But in reality with bad habits you will spend that extra $1K you started earning.

>>Focus on earning more, not saving (on useless expenses).

Both. Without discipline its all useless. Why else do you think so many athletes or lottery winners lose those millions?

Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by kdamken on Friday February 19, 2016 @11:36AM (#11134506)
I like buying stuff as much as the next guy, but if not buying things you don't need would make you depressed, you probably have deeper issues that need addressing.
Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by charlesdm on Friday February 19, 2016 @12:25PM (#11134861)
If you want to save money, do it on large purchases. Buying a $30k car? Negotiate aggressively so you can buy it for $23-25k. Anything above a few $100 is worth haggling over.

Do you know how many people pay the listing price of a car, yet cut coupons to save a few euros/dollars? A lot. It's ridiculous.

Some of the joys in life are simple things, such as drinking a $2-3 coffee or having a cocktail in a nice bar, etc.

Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by Ocerge on Friday February 19, 2016 @01:12PM (#11135265)
Absolutely. I fully recognize my $2.50 americano every morning could be a couple of cups of free office coffee, but I look forward to it every single day. I also drive a 10-year-old but reliable car, so I don't have any huge monthly expenditures outside of rent and my $150 student loan payment. I'll take the $100 or so hit every month in exchange for me starting my mornings on a positive note. It's not going to positively change my life enough to not have that americano every morning.
Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by kdamken on Friday February 19, 2016 @02:16PM (#11135814)
Playing devils advocate here: you're spending $1200 a year on coffee. With that money you could not only buy a really nice coffee machine and make it yourself every morning, but also have a bunch of money leftover to put towards your loans, invest, put towards a nice vacation, etc.

The idea is that those small daily expenses tend to add up, and there may be a lot more of them than you realized.

Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by billmalarky on Friday February 19, 2016 @05:19PM (#11137104)
Reminds me of the old joke:

"If you had stopped smoking 10 years ago you could afford to be driving around in a Ferrari right now."

"Do you smoke?"

"No."

"Then where's your Ferrari?"

Point is don't sweat the small things. Sure they add up, but you should dedicate a portion of your cash flow towards investments at the start of the pay cycle, not "what's left at the end." Then the rest can be spent on anything arbitrarily with a clear conscious.

Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by joverholt on Friday February 19, 2016 @02:56PM (#11136128)
Also, buy a coffee roaster and roast your own beans. There are lots of ways to get started on the cheap (popcorn air roaster), and unroasted coffee is around $5-$6 a pound. It's a very rewarding hobby. http://sweetmarias.com is a great place to get started.
Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by phamilton on Friday February 19, 2016 @01:37PM (#11135467)
Or both.

The MMM philosophy isn't to deprive yourself. It's to learn to find satisfaction without the high cost.

Personally, I hate eating out every day. Packing a tupperware with leftovers is much more my style. I save about a thousand a year because of this, but I don't feel deprived at all.

Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by ohitsdom on Friday February 19, 2016 @02:15PM (#11135813)
If you don't have any sort of budget, making more won't solve your problems.
Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by dublidu on Saturday February 20, 2016 @01:43AM (#11139198)
For an average American with household income $50k, getting a $1k raise (after tax) is probably not trivial. For techies in SF, definitely spend time on building your career, negotiating compensation, and try to save on rent.