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Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by dazc on Friday February 19, 2016 @11:18AM (#11134376)
> Suppose you have enough disposable income to pay for a new $1200 TV over the course of 12 months.

If you don't have $1200 for a TV you shouldn't be buying it. It's not as if you can't buy a perfectly reasonable TV for much less is it?

Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by socalnate1 on Friday February 19, 2016 @01:27PM (#11135403)
You're missing the forest for the trees.
Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by rdrey on Friday February 19, 2016 @01:44PM (#11135545)
Replace the word TV with 'first household car'.
Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by nostrademons on Friday February 19, 2016 @03:59PM (#11136580)
Curious what your point is? It's pretty common to pay cash for a used clunker as your first car because you don't have money to buy a new one, and then use it to get to work so you can save up more money to buy a new one.

Or at least, it's pretty common among the folks I hang with. The car-loan phenomena is baffling to me; why would you pay interest on a depreciating asset?

Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by saalweachter on Friday February 19, 2016 @04:26PM (#11136750)
Why would you waste your liquidity on an asset so easy to secure a loan for as a car?

A five year new car loan from a credit union -- no shopping around -- has a cost of something like $58 / $1000 borrowed. So even if you have $20k cash on hand to buy a new car, for a thousand bucks you can maintain an extra $20k of liquidity for expenses that are more annoying or more expensive to finance, like auto repairs.

Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by markvdb on Friday February 19, 2016 @04:56PM (#11136943)
Because you want to buy a house? If you are borrowing 8k for a simple car @2%, 5 years, you are repaying ~140/month. On a 20 year loan @2%, that same monthly payment would net you 30k.

My native country has a central database of every single loan outstanding. Lenders have to consult that before granting a loan and stay within certain limits. So at least here, an outstanding car loan might disqualify you from a home loan because of a lack of solvability...

Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by spdionis on Friday February 19, 2016 @06:22PM (#11137538)
If in those 5 years you decide to buy a house can't you just pay the rest of the car debt with the liquidity you have saved up meanwhile?
Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by dazc on Friday February 19, 2016 @04:38PM (#11136831)
> Curious what your point is?

I took his point as: Some people buy an expensive car they can ill afford when they could buy a cheaper one that will do the same job.

Like my TV example, but with a car.

Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by craigds on Friday February 19, 2016 @04:15PM (#11136673)
I think it's an American thing. In NZ it's pretty rare to buy a new car, far more common to get a 10-15 year old one for $5-10K. Paying cash is normal
Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by heywire on Friday February 19, 2016 @04:59PM (#11136960)
Well, someone has to be buying the new cars, or else there wouldn't be any used cars.
Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by dazc on Friday February 19, 2016 @05:28PM (#11137193)
A lot of new cars are sold to fleets and these eventually come on to the used market.

(UK figures)

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachm...

In 2014, 54% of all car first registrations were made by companies.

Which is lower than I would have guessed, but still significant.

Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by kaybe on Friday February 19, 2016 @05:38PM (#11137266)
I think NZ imports a lot of cars from overseas. The used-car market is great!
Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by repsilat on Friday February 19, 2016 @05:41PM (#11137278)
I don't know if it's still the case, but New Zealand used to import a lot of Japanese second hand cars. Cheap, reliable, fuel-efficient and left hand drive.

Less common in Australia because they have (had?) a domestic market to protect -- import tariffs made it less attractive.

Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by tomjen3 on Friday February 19, 2016 @02:58PM (#11136141)
No.

Tv don't enable you to get a better job/keep your current. If you want the argument to mean anything then you have to trade like for like. A nice couch will last years and it is still a frivolous consumer spending object. Is it worth it to pay ~80 usd to have the couch a year earlier?

Re:Why Don't People Manage Debt Better? by lkbm on Friday February 19, 2016 @11:47PM (#11138893)
Here's what I just read:

> > > > Here's my argument.

> > > That argument's too weak.

> > Okay, here's a stronger version.

> No, you have to stick with the weak version.

Personally, I want to hear the strongest version of the arguments when I'm making a decision.