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Re:SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle,... by tim333 on Thursday February 18, 2016 @10:18AM (#11126319)
The issue my be complex but you don't see the same thing in most of Europe or Canada which suggests it's not immune to government action.
Re:SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle,... by rconti on Thursday February 18, 2016 @11:21AM (#11126820)
Just an anecdote, but when I studied in a mid-sized city in France a bit over a decade ago, one night after walking home from the bar, I commented to my host mom that I was surprised at the number of homeless people. She seemed confused, so I mentioned people sleeping in the doorways of businesses that were shuttered for the night.

Her reply has always stuck with me. "Oh! No, they're not homeless, they're Roma."

Re:SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle,... by talideon on Thursday February 18, 2016 @11:46AM (#11127036)
Well, she's not wrong. The situation with the Roma across Europe is a weird one that's completely separate from the homelessness situation.

[All of this is a simplification, and I'm omitting a lot here. The gist ought to be correct, and, I hope, fair to all.]

There are certain cultural barriers when it comes to the Roma. When you have an itinerant population like the Roma (and in Ireland and the UK, Travellers), you will naturally end up with with a conflict of some kind between the settled and travelling populations in a given area, unless both populations are familiar with one another, and even then the opportunities for discrimination are huge. The situation with Travellers in Ireland and the UK isn't as bad as the Roma situation, as the itinerant Roma population is self-isolating and can't speak the same language as the host settled population, whereas at least Travellers can speak the same language, so they're not as isolated from the settled population as the Roma are.

With Travellers, the core issue is that the trades that once allowed them to afford their lifestyle are no longer useful to society at large, so their opportunities for employment are few and far between, which unfortunately leads a greater number down the path of criminality [aside: the vast majority are decent people, but when you're deprived of opportunities, that's going to lead some people to crime]. Add to this that the modern state practically demands a settled lifestyle for things like taxation, education, healthcare, &c., which even further alienates the Traveller and settled populations. Now, you could suggest that they just settle, and some do, but people tend to be attached to their heritage, so for many that's not a runner.

With the Roma, all of that is even worse because they have the added language barrier and an even bigger cultural barrier. Moreover, you also have a trafficking problem surrounding some of the Roma where they're exploited as beggars, and sometimes worse.

So yes, the Roma situation is a completely separate situation from that of homelessness in general, and one nobody has any good answers for yet.

Re:SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle,... by Shivetya on Thursday February 18, 2016 @10:56AM (#11126611)
You really need to read up on the issue more then. Even a simple browsing of Wikipedia will show the statement is wrong. What is primarily different is reporting by news sources. If the US is nearing a million or two homeless (numbers reported are lower) for the size of its population how does that put it in perspective of Canada listing around three hundred thousand out of thirty five million people. The EU reports nearly three million.

Worse is the homeless situation in third world countries where even less services are available. Being homeless in a Western nation is far different than anywhere else. It may be exaggerated in SF and LA simply because of two reasons, climate and more support for those in need. So the city may actually being doing a good job but is simply attracting more people because they are

tl;dr do not for a moment think that homelessness isn't as bad issue elsewhere, let alone countries where the US is equal to economically.

Re:SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle,... by sologoub on Thursday February 18, 2016 @11:35AM (#11126942)
Visited Paris last November and the situation looked very differently - homeless were present, but did not appear to be the same mentally ill types that I see in LA and SF. That's not a coincidence - France has universal healthcare (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_France).

It's really disheartening to see the plight of people who could have been helped. Especially, given that we (US) spend more per capita on healthcare...

Another interesting observation is the difference between LA and SF. In LA (beach areas and west LA/Westwood) a side from minor inconvenience of a line outside public beach restrooms/showers and some encampments, there really isn't a disruption. In SF, people walk in yelling into stores, act out aggressively in broad daylight and generally don't seem to feel any restraint. I never felt particularly unsafe in LA, but definitely had to watch my surroundings last weekend in SF, much more than ever before in the last decade.

Re:SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle,... by Joeboy on Thursday February 18, 2016 @11:14AM (#11126766)
> Even a simple browsing of Wikipedia will show the statement is wrong.

I looked up "Homelessness in the UK" on Wikpedia and the first line is:

> Homelessness in the United Kingdom is kept somewhat at bay

> by a reasonable volume of housing, statutory rights, and

> various government initiatives.

I don't know what figures you are looking at, but one caveat that occurs to me is that the UK's main homelessness charity, Shelter, has a fairly broad definition of homelessness. You don't have to be sleeping in the street for them to consider you "homeless". Which is good, because relying on your friends' sofas for housing is indeed a very crappy situation which government policy should seek to minimize, but bad, because that's not what other people consider homelessness to be.

Re:SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle,... by icelancer on Thursday February 18, 2016 @11:17AM (#11126791)
What? Have you been to Paris or any major large city in Europe? It's not different than most of American large cities. SF and Seattle just happen to be two of the worst in the nation for homelessness issues and a lot of that is because they move there.
Re:SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle,... by BurningFrog on Thursday February 18, 2016 @12:46PM (#11127645)
One common government action is to lock up or beat up vagrants.