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Re:A Message to Our Customers by Oletros on Wednesday February 17, 2016 @04:24AM (#11116488)
> Huge props to Apple - here's hoping against hope that Google, Facebook, and Amazon get behind this.

Why against hope?

Re:A Message to Our Customers by rincebrain on Wednesday February 17, 2016 @04:26AM (#11116505)
Re:A Message to Our Customers by Oletros on Wednesday February 17, 2016 @04:49AM (#11116650)
I know that it is an idiom, I asking why he has no hope
Re:A Message to Our Customers by konradb on Wednesday February 17, 2016 @04:53AM (#11116669)
From the link that was posted in reply to you, 'hope against hope' means 'to have hope even when the situation appears to be hopeless'. Which means he does have hope, even though the situation appears to be hopeless.
Re:A Message to Our Customers by jcrites on Wednesday February 17, 2016 @05:08AM (#11116745)
Why is the situation hopeless? Google, for example, has been undertaking efforts for years to improve security on the Internet, in part for the purpose of protecting privacy. Seven days ago they were featured in an article about how they're going to warn users of Gmail whose incoming emails are not protected by SSL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11067050 - this is part of their Safer Email initiative. Some time ago they released a Transparency Report as part of that initiative describing which senders to/from Gmail support encryption: https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/saferemail/ - and that's not to mention their efforts promoting HTTPS.

I see these efforts as Google going far out of its way to support privacy and security on the web.

Re:A Message to Our Customers by div on Wednesday February 17, 2016 @05:01AM (#11116721)
I think Oletros understands that perfectly, but is wondering why OP feels that the situation appears to be hopeless.
Re:A Message to Our Customers by Oletros on Wednesday February 17, 2016 @05:01AM (#11116718)
Yeees, I'm asking why he thinks there is little hope that they will stand
Re:A Message to Our Customers by konradb on Wednesday February 17, 2016 @10:14AM (#11118330)
Sorry, misinterpreted you, in over-literal mind mode right now!
Re:A Message to Our Customers by Oletros on Wednesday February 17, 2016 @11:16AM (#11118835)
No problem
Re:A Message to Our Customers by rodgerd on Wednesday February 17, 2016 @01:37PM (#11120126)
When a US senator expressed upset with Wikileaks, Amazon shut them down. Not even a court order, just a tantrum from a politician. If you really think Amazon aren't cheerfully inviting the US government into their datacentres, you haven't been paying attention.
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Re:A Message to Our Customers by Oletros on Wednesday February 17, 2016 @05:02AM (#11116723)
You should read your link, because this is not what it says
Re:A Message to Our Customers by natch on Wednesday February 17, 2016 @06:01AM (#11116966)
You're right, the headline is sensationalizing his actual words. I'm retracting that comment.