Re:Why I love everything you hate about Java
by prodigal_erik on Tuesday February 09, 2010 @04:30AM
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This. I work on Java in Eclipse every day; it actually won me over from years of Emacs. But heavy-duty code navigation tools just manage the pain of bad abstraction, they're no substitute for a DRY language in which the work remains clear and concise enough that you can just sit down and read it.
Re:Why I love everything you hate about Java
by axod on Tuesday February 09, 2010 @11:53AM
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I think that's a misconception.
FWIW I hate IDE's, and the code produced by people using them gives Java a bad name for its verbosity and idiocy.
>> without the toolset in Java, you're sunk.
No, you're not. Try it. Use an editor, write some code. It's not rocket science.
Yes, Eclipse and IntelliJ do some pretty amazing things. I wish I had a toolset that nice for C/Python/whatever. By contrast, without the toolset in Java, you're sunk.
Then again, I wouldn't imagine or expect some types of development to be achievable without a rich toolset (FPGA work comes to mind). I just like to think of Java as a more general purpose language.