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Re:Ask HN: Science vs Religion: how is it compatible? by jamesbritt on Monday February 08, 2010 @12:21AM (#1109068)
'Religion is perfect for asking "why is there a universe at all?" (or more succinctly, "why is there something and not nothing?")'

How so? This sounds like basic philosophy. Why would religion have something to add that is lacking in non-religious philosophy?

I am assuming here that religion and philosophy are not identical, that there is some set of qualities that makes a philosophy religious. As best I can tell, those qualities are predicated on claims of the supernatural. (Zen Buddhism is possibly the oddball here, but generally when people are talking about religion, and specifically the conflict of religion and science, they mean theism or theist religions.)

So, before I get my head around the idea that religion is somehow suited for explaining anything, I have to ask, Why religion at all? Positing supernatural beings doesn't seem to have any explanatory power at all, let alone helping explain why there is something other than nothing. All it seems to do is sweep the question under the rug.

Re:Ask HN: Science vs Religion: how is it compatible? by noonespecial on Monday February 08, 2010 @12:30AM (#1109083)
So, before I get my head around the idea that religion is somehow suited for explaining anything

It isn't. Religion may indeed be a subset of philosophy, one of many answers for "why is there something and not nothing?". The simplest answer is and has always been "because there is", but many find this unsatisfying. Cosmologies are like that, you kind of have to pick one and they're all a little bit unsatisfying.

The question however, was "How can science and religion be compatible?". "There's no need for religion at all" isn't really an answer to that particular question, even though it does open a fascinating debate along another path.

Re:Ask HN: Science vs Religion: how is it compatible? by jamesbritt on Monday February 08, 2010 @12:50AM (#1109119)
Then let me adjust my question. You say that religion is perfect for asking "why is there a universe at all?"

That's a role for of all philosophy. What makes religious philosophy perfect for it? How does the introduction of supernatural claims improve anything?

' "There's no need for religion at all" isn't really an answer to that particular question,'

That's not what I said; I asked why religion at all. If there's a conflict in science and religion, it's that religion typically encourages believing things absent reason (i.e., basing actions on faith).

Re:Ask HN: Science vs Religion: how is it compatible? by noonespecial on Monday February 08, 2010 @01:05AM (#1109145)
Maybe I should shoot a little narrower then. Religion and science can be compatible so long as the don't try to overstep their respective bounds.

"That's a role for of all philosophy. What makes religious philosophy perfect for it? How does the introduction of supernatural claims improve anything?"

Like I said, it isn't, it doesn't. Science and philosophy are compatible too?

That's not what I said; I asked why religion at all. If there's a conflict in science and religion, it's that religion typically encourages believing things absent reason (i.e., basing actions on faith).

Of course it does. Its a big problem. Not all religions or religious people make this error.

We're really talking about falsifiable things here. Science sticks to falsifiable claims. Religion sticks to non-falsifiable ones. They get along fine. Philosophy is welcome at the table as well, at any time.