Physicists Detect Gravitational Waves, Proving Einstein Right

Re:Physicists Detect Gravitational Waves, Proving Einstein R... by hun-nemethpeter on Thursday February 11, 2016 @08:17PM (#11084693)

According to this paper ( https://dcc.ligo.org/LIGO-P150914/public ) they detected the signal first at Livingston, Louisiana and 6.9ms later in Hanford, Washington. The distance between them according to wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIGO ) is 3002km (Ok, the 3002 km distance is on the Earth). If the gravity wave travel at the speed of light they should detect 10ms later (300 000/3002 sec = 1/100 sec = 10ms ). From these data the gravity travels at 434 000km/sec instead of 300 000km/sec. Almost 50% faster then light... Is there any error in my calc?

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Re:Physicists Detect Gravitational Waves, Proving Einstein R... by demallien on Thursday February 11, 2016 @08:34PM (#11084738)

10ms is the absolute maximum difference in time, if the source was located on a line running through the two detectors. If the source was located on a perpendicular bisector of the line running through the two detectors, the difference in time between detections at the two detectors would be zero. Any value between the two is possible depending on the geometry.

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Re:Physicists Detect Gravitational Waves, Proving Einstein R... by glial on Thursday February 11, 2016 @09:06PM (#11084842)

I think your calculation assumes that the waves are traveling parallel to the line connecting Livingston/Hanford. In the diagram below, 's' is the source of the waves.

    H-----L-------s

If instead the waves are traveling perpendicularly to the line between those two cities, they should be detected at the same time.

       s
      /|\
     / | \
    L-----H

Since the measured time difference is between 0ms and 10ms, the reality is probably somewhere in between these two extremes.

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Re:Physicists Detect Gravitational Waves, Proving Einstein R... by hoodoof on Thursday February 11, 2016 @09:06PM (#11084845)

Weird, that's exactly what I was thinking.

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Re:Physicists Detect Gravitational Waves, Proving Einstein R... by josho on Thursday February 11, 2016 @08:20PM (#11084701)

Wild guess on my part. The wave is traveling through the earth, while the distance you measured is around the circumference and therefore larger.

Too bad, you had me excited for a moment at the thought of faster than light travel.

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Re:Physicists Detect Gravitational Waves, Proving Einstein R... by AnonNo15 on Thursday February 11, 2016 @08:23PM (#11084710)

Even ignoring the curvature of the Earth, the signal source was not necessary located on the straight line between two LIGO locations, but rather at some angle to this line. For example if the signal origin was on the line that is exactly between the two LIGO detectors, the time delay would be zero.

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Re:Physicists Detect Gravitational Waves, Proving Einstein R... by codeplay on Thursday February 11, 2016 @09:08PM (#11084853)

I am just curious that is the speed of gravity wave travel at different speed in different medium?

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Re:Physicists Detect Gravitational Waves, Proving Einstein R... by eyko on Thursday February 11, 2016 @09:32PM (#11084940)

Consider that the black holes merged about 1.3 billion years ago. If gravitational waves travelled 50% faster than the speed of light, they would've passed by earth long before our species came around, unless the effect of the collision went on for, say, a few million years after the event?

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