SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses

Re:SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses by 6stringmerc on Thursday February 11, 2016 @11:08AM (#11080955)

I'll just go to my crib-sheet response: SoundCloud isn't for "mixes" as in DJ sets. That's what MixCloud is for. That's why DJ mixes get kicked off SoundCloud routinely, and I won't fault them for it. MixCloud is for mixes, SoundCloud is for creators, in my opinion.

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Re:SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses by tobz on Thursday February 11, 2016 @11:19AM (#11081046)

Mixes get kicked off of SoundCloud because they have a higher chance of one of the X songs/samples in them being picked up in the copyright detector net. The fact that it doesn't happen, or that it happens less, on MixCloud only goes to show that MixCloud isn't playing ball with copyright holders, or hasn't been approached to do so. They don't have some magical blanket license to let anyone, anywhere, for free, upload a mix with copyrighted material.

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Re:SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses by 6stringmerc on Thursday February 11, 2016 @12:32PM (#11081547)

Actually quite the opposite - from what I read, MixCloud did get into arrangements with numerous labels/rights holders and therefore the risk of having a mix taken down is greatly reduced - and it's why MixCloud doesn't approve of people uploading individual tracks.

DJs are in the derivative work business, no matter how much they claim to be innovative or 'making something new!' by mixing tracks together, and while I'm an advocate for Copyright Reform, for now the way laws and commercial rules are written, DJs making and uploading mixes don't have a leg to stand on in the SoundCloud model.

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Re:SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses by tobz on Thursday February 11, 2016 @01:09PM (#11081786)

Well then, color me surprised. If I can somehow, without paying at all, upload a two-hour mix to Mixcloud, with all copyrighted material, and have it not taken down.... that's great.

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Re:SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses by 6stringmerc on Thursday February 11, 2016 @01:38PM (#11082010)

Yeah it is, and the player seems to work fine as well. For DJ stuff on PC I tend to use Traktor Pro and I can even upload the track list file (.NML I think) and it adds tags to the tracks. 90% of what I've used was purchased from Beatport, with the other minor amount being rips from CD purchases over the years.

It really does seem to be the proper platform for DJ mixes.

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Re:SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses by jeffbr13 on Thursday February 11, 2016 @03:37PM (#11083025)

They use some track-recognition technology to generate tracklists and then remunerate copyright holders from the advertising income, I believe.

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Re:SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses by user_0001 on Thursday February 11, 2016 @11:40AM (#11081198)

err, yes they do.

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Re:SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses by cmyr on Thursday February 11, 2016 @12:30PM (#11081533)

enlighten us. :)

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Re:SoundCloud could be forced to close after $44m losses by 6stringmerc on Thursday February 11, 2016 @12:44PM (#11081624)

Sure!

> Mixcloud streams the mixes and radio shows of its registered users and pays performance royalties by way of its agreements with licensing collectives around the world.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6221953/mixcloud-...

That's why MixCloud is for mixes and SoundCloud is for individual creators (or their PR machines who effectively control the rights to the material).

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