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Re:The Robin Hood of Science by reality_czech on Thursday February 11, 2016 @02:44AM (#11078779)
If you don't want to defend Elsevier, then don't. The research was paid for with our tax dollars. The public has a right to read it. The academics who write and review the papers are not paid by Elsevier. The only value Elsevier provides is choosing which papers to accept, and organizing physical printing of the articles. A committee of prestigious academics in a particular field could easily choose a few leading papers to accept each month, and run a web server with some PDFs... and in some fields, that's what's starting to happen.
Re:The Robin Hood of Science by foldr on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:20AM (#11079488)
> A committee of prestigious academics in a particular field could easily choose a few leading papers to accept each month, and run a web server with some PDFs.

This is a little naive. Running a good journal takes a lot of time and effort (not to mention a little bit of money).

Re:The Robin Hood of Science by GFK_of_xmaspast on Thursday February 11, 2016 @09:43AM (#11080371)
Re:The Robin Hood of Science by foldr on Thursday February 11, 2016 @01:25PM (#11081905)
I'm not saying that it can't be done. But I think it is an open question whether we can move to a model where all journals work this way. It inevitably means academics will have to spend time and money on things that they didn't previously have to spend time and money on.
Re:The Robin Hood of Science by reality_czech on Saturday February 13, 2016 @01:02AM (#11092787)
Academics already have to keep up with the literature in their field. It is an important part of being a researcher. You don't want to spend your time on something someone has already done, and you want to cite prior work.

In practice, paper selection is done in a bottom-up fashion already. An individual lab usually decides whether a paper is worth publishing. A minor conference decides which of the papers submitted to it are worth featuring. Bigger conferences look at the results of the minor ones. And so on. There is not a guy at Elsevier whose job it is to read the entire internet. Like the rest of their business, it's parasitic off the publicly funded university research system.

Re:The Robin Hood of Science by foldr on Saturday February 13, 2016 @07:42AM (#11093738)
I know how the system works, I'm an academic myself.

If you really think that no-one employed by journals is actually doing any work, I'm not sure what to say. The reality is that editing and publishing are time consuming, and that if this work is not being doing by paid employees of journals, it's going to have to be done by someone else.

Paper selection is not really the issue. That is largely done by (unpaid) reviewers in any case. It's everything else that goes into running a journal that's potentially going to give rise to problems.

Again, I'm not saying that it's impossible for a group of academics to get together and run a journal entirely by themselves. I think it's less clear whether this model can scale to replacing all current traditional journals. It's very easy to confuse work that's easy with work that's quick. Yes, it's easy to set up a website with a few PDFs on it, and it's easy to forward papers to reviewers, and it's easy to come up with a LaTeX stylesheet for papers, etc. etc. But maintaining all of that stuff and keeping it running smoothly eats up a lot of time, even though there's nothing fundamentally difficult about it.

Re:The Robin Hood of Science by effie on Saturday February 13, 2016 @02:52PM (#11095413)
> I think it's less clear whether this model can scale to replacing all current traditional journals

Yes, it's less clear because we don't have that kind of system yet to see. We need to try it. Perhaps we'll find we do not need all current traditional journals. Perhaps we'll be fine with online archive for all academic publications and a good search engine.

Re:The Robin Hood of Science by nycticorax on Sunday February 14, 2016 @02:48PM (#11099674)
Well, I'm really defending the rule of law, not Elsevier. I fully support the current trend towards open access journals. But open access journals don't involve systematic copyright infringement.