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Re:Developer Preview: RethinkDB Now Available for Windows by hardwaresofton on Wednesday February 10, 2016 @03:45PM (#11075839)
I've said a lot on the subject, but for me the top benefits that come to mind are:

- Built to be distrubted (sharding and replication are super ez to use)

- Easy to use admin interface comes built in

- RQL (which is a minus for you, as you noted)

- Joins

- Streaming (you're right, but I think this niche grows bigger by the day)

- Functional chaining interface, with lots of nice utility functions

- Geospatial commands (this is oft overlooked, and another really awesome thing it does, check out http://rethinkdb.com/api/javascript/#circle)

If I were to summarize your points:

- RQL is not that compelling, DSL is preferable

- No full text search

- No transactions

(please correct if I've missed anything)

The DSL problem is probably relatively straightforwardly fixed (just write a DSL that translates to builder calls), but I think that RQL sprung up from a disdain of DSLs that were built by mongo (and probably in some part SQL), that often become overly complicated, hard to use, and sometimes use obtuse/hard-to-remember terminology.

The other missing-add-on points are valid of course, but they're just about as equally valid for any document store you can find. I don't speak for RethinkDB, but as far as I can see they do not claim to offer those things, so I don't know if it should be held against them that they don't. Of course, it makes sense that you're not super excited for it because of those missing features you want.

However, I think you'd be hardpressed to find another document store that has gotten the rest of the things it does as right as RDB has gotten them. RDB has iterated their way to a really high quality document store, yet (I find) does not get the press to match how well it performs (and how many big pitfalls it avoided).

Re:Developer Preview: RethinkDB Now Available for Windows by ssmoot on Thursday February 11, 2016 @12:08PM (#11081389)
That sounds pretty fair. I think the RQL Builder issue is a bit bigger than that since it would make writing your own DSLs a bit more awkward, with more overhead. I think a simple published protocol would be the better alternative. But even so, it's not insurmountable and there are databases with much much more awkward APIs. RethinkDB's isn't all that compelling IMO, but at least it's not actively hostile.

Cloudant gets most of the rest correct. Their (dedicated) clustering has been largely flawless IME. Their availability probably the best of any system I've used (database or otherwise). Very very impressive. And their integrated Lucene takes a whole category of issues out of the equation.

They don't have transactions either though. Which is a bigger issue than in RethinkDB since they also don't have joins. If you need to dematerialize a navigable tree into your documents that's easy enough. But what happens when the source-of-truth for your tree (another document in my case) changes? You have to reprocess the entire live database. The fact that you can't do that atomically mean you either: A: Hope for the best. Or B: Do a lot of extra work implementing processing that will (hopefully) converge on eventual consistency.

I feel like RethinkDB is moving up my list during this thread though. So there's that. :)

The lack of integrated full-text-search that provides decent guarantees is a real sticking point, but outside of Cloudant I can't think of another NoSQL solution that attempts it.

I'll say this though: If RethinkDB resolved the search issue, it would probably be THE DB to use IMO. RQL (despite the space I've given it) is pretty petty in comparison. And lack of multi-document atomic transactions are much less of an issue with the schema flexibility afforded by JOIN support.

Even without resolving it I think I'm convinced enough to give it a closer look.

Re:Developer Preview: RethinkDB Now Available for Windows by rdslw on Friday February 12, 2016 @05:52AM (#11086413)
> However, I think you'd be hardpressed to find another document store that [...]

CouchDB. Older by 6 yrs, so probably can't compete with RethinkDB on wow-yet-another-new-fresh-backed-tool-with-fancy-webpage-and-admin-ui scale ;)

In everthing else couchdb has more features than rethinkDB. And is much more mature, but somehow this word is understood backwards these days. Technology ageism I suppose ;)

p.s. I'm not couchdb dev/supporter etc.

Re:Developer Preview: RethinkDB Now Available for Windows by ssmoot on Friday February 12, 2016 @10:40AM (#11087933)
CouchDB doesn't do joins, which can impose serious schema design changes depending on your application. map/reduce is done at index time. You wouldn't ever want to do it on the fly.

The base CouchDB also wasn't clustered last I looked (a year ago maybe?); you had to use BigCouch, which was an OSS contribution by Cloudant that lagged both Cloudant's own offering and CouchDB releases. It was supposed to get merged into head though so there's a good chance that actually happened while I wasn't looking.

If you're just looking at CouchDB though and not Cloudant, it's not all that compelling (IMO). No clustering. No integrated search. No transactions. No joins. Pretty shallow server metrics in the dashboard. CouchDB doesn't even really have queries AFAIK. Just index scans.