Re:Tim Berners-Lee: https everywhere considered harmful
by dh997 on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @06:11PM
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This sounds like a tempest-teapot scenario because he doesnt seem to know about http/2 which includes the feature TBL is ranting about. Instead, he comes off as fingerwagging at folks for doing something to stop-gap fix the web because the http RFC didnt include security from the beginning. Adding tls to http/1.x is impractical, utopian mythology because there's too much deployed to ever change until http/2 becomes widely deployed.
Instead of ranting, downplaying the EFF and others for improving the situation or wishing for the impossible, TBL missed the opportunity to support adoption of http/2, which might not be perfect (PHK mentioned rushed process and protocol complexity) but it has been touted to supersede http/1, https and spdy.
btw: there's also unauthenticated opportunistic encryption like tcpcrypt which works via server and client plugins.
Re:Tim Berners-Lee: https everywhere considered harmful
by Karunamon on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @03:24PM
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So if I understand this right, Tim's main issue is that "s" is just going to lead users to think "oh, it's secure, I'm good right?" when really web security is a continuum, even on the level of certs - the browser doesn't meaningfully differentiate between domain validation, identity validation, and extended validation (EV), and less so on the technical characteristics of the cert (signing algo, ciphers chosen, etc.)
It's not that encryption is bad, it's that the https method encourages lazy thinking.
Call me pessimist, but I think that any method which relies on "user education" is doomed from the start. Any UX designer can tell you that users do not read error messages and just click by them ASAP to get back to what they were doing before the computer so rudely interrupted them.
Re:Tim Berners-Lee: https everywhere considered harmful
by sbierwagen on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @03:35PM
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No, he only gets to the point in one of the final paragraphs:
The problem is of course that moving things from http: space into
https space, whether or not you keep the rest of the URI the same,
breaks any links to. Put simply, the HTTPS Everywhere campaign
taken at face value completely breaks the web.
Re:Tim Berners-Lee: https everywhere considered harmful
by Ezhik on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @03:30PM
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In a world where people disable their antivirus because a piece of malware told them to, a red broken padlock or even a scary error message will not help a whole lot.
Who are you and what did you do with the inventor of the WWW? Redirects are an easy solution to deprecated http links. And I still wish you understood DRM. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2013/mar/12/tim-b...
Instead of ranting, downplaying the EFF and others for improving the situation or wishing for the impossible, TBL missed the opportunity to support adoption of http/2, which might not be perfect (PHK mentioned rushed process and protocol complexity) but it has been touted to supersede http/1, https and spdy.
btw: there's also unauthenticated opportunistic encryption like tcpcrypt which works via server and client plugins.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP/2#Encryption
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7540
It's not that encryption is bad, it's that the https method encourages lazy thinking.
Call me pessimist, but I think that any method which relies on "user education" is doomed from the start. Any UX designer can tell you that users do not read error messages and just click by them ASAP to get back to what they were doing before the computer so rudely interrupted them.
His complaint is completely spurious.