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Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by whyleyc on Thursday February 04, 2016 @05:37AM (#11033094)
This is a joke right ? We run Adsense display ads on our site and have to spend significant time every day reviewing and blocking new ads which try to use these deceptive practices.

Since Google clearly has the tech to detect this they should be implementing it at source on the advertisers (malvertisers). Instead they are pushing this down to the publishers and hitting them with penalties.

It's a clever ploy in some ways - Google gets the revenue from the ads and also the kudos from Joe Public for "being on the side of the consumer".

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by onion2k on Thursday February 04, 2016 @07:18AM (#11033497)
Firstly, this will work on ad networks other than Google, so it''s more broad reaching than anything they could do just within AdSense. This is good.

Secondly, and arguably more importantly, the way to stop these adverts is for them to cost the advertiser (in either money or time) without giving them the reward of revenue. If the ads stop working then people won't have a reason to make them. By stopping the ads in AdSense rogue advertisers would just change to a different ad network. The problem wouldn't stop.

This is a good move by Google.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by kalkin on Thursday February 04, 2016 @10:41AM (#11034613)
"more broad reaching than anything they could do just within AdSense"

... as long as you don't care about browsers which don't run Google's Safe Browsing service.

You know another way to stop these ads? Make available an advertising network which doesn't serve them. Website owners who don't want to install malware on their users' computers - which is probably most of us - would prefer that network to the others. As-is, with even Google's network serving up malicious ads, the choice for a website that wants to run display ads appears to be either build out a sales team & manage inventory itself, or accept that some percentage of its users will get scammed.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by bazillion on Thursday February 04, 2016 @01:54PM (#11036241)
I've actually built an advertising network[1] that is not focused on serving display ads, but linking to content directly in images. Video demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GfKBvs53Ss

The thought is that if "advertising" is actually a feature of a website, then it solves the problem of users trying to avoid being shown ads. If you could hover your mouse over an object on any image on the internet and be taken directly to where you can buy that without all the hassle, I'd see that as a big win.

Note: Just onboarded our first customer yesterday. He's using it to promote iPhone cases based on his instagram feed[2]. Hover over the cases on a desktop, and you'll see what the case is. Click on it, and it takes you directly to the product page.

[1] http://pleenq.com

[2] http://www.obeythekorean.net/pages/instagram-feed

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by soared on Thursday February 04, 2016 @10:34PM (#11039229)
This is the first ad platform I've seen that is innovative in a good way, instead of the usual remarketing/tracking/native/data whatever bullshit. Seriously, awesome idea and execution. Have you gotten any press for this?
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by bazillion on Thursday February 04, 2016 @11:08PM (#11039333)
No press, just a reddit post[1]. Do you know anyone? :)

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/43qnen/if_you...

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by soared on Friday February 05, 2016 @09:58PM (#11046318)
This is undoubtedly interesting content for writers and bloggers. I'll think on it and PM you if I come up with anything worthwhile.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by RangerScience on Thursday February 04, 2016 @03:54PM (#11037137)
That's pretty good. The issue I have with it is that without this prior knowledge, I can't tell what will happen when I click - the URL isn't informative, and there's no alt-text.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by bazillion on Thursday February 04, 2016 @11:09PM (#11039335)
What would you like to see it do? I've been thinking of tons of different ways of displaying that to a user, but I figured I'd just put it out there and see what people suggested.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by jfoster on Thursday February 04, 2016 @01:43PM (#11036146)
Surely it would make the most sense to build it into both AdSense and Chrome. That way Google know they're not running a network facilitating this, and they are also able to block malicious ads from other networks in the browser.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by drdeca on Thursday February 04, 2016 @05:01PM (#11037639)
In my experience as a consumer, project wonderful ad system thingy ads seem to be unobjectionable.

They are paid per length of time, not by click or view, and they are determined by a continuous auction.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by enzanki_ars on Thursday February 04, 2016 @01:37PM (#11036110)
I wonder if Mozila will attempt to create a list of scam advertisements and automatically block those...
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by clinta on Thursday February 04, 2016 @09:13AM (#11033977)
This does not make any sense. Advertisers paying per view do not get charged for a view if crome prevents the user from viewing the page.

The good news here is we now have official admission by google that allowing adsense ads without filtering is dangerous. And those of us who do not have sophisticated techniques that can detect deceptive ads have no choice to but to block the entire network serving them, if we want to be secure.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by dawnbreez on Thursday February 04, 2016 @09:31AM (#11034094)
>Advertisers paying per view do not get charged for a view if crome prevents the user from viewing the page.

The cost isn't in money, it's in views. By not letting you click a fake DL button, the malicious ad doesn't lead you to the site it wants you to end up on, which is usually plastered with other ads and sometimes has malware lying around on it. The end result is that the malicious party can't make money off their own site's ads and can't redirect you to download god-knows-what onto your system.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by alkonaut on Thursday February 04, 2016 @12:08PM (#11035363)
Any blockning of "malverts" should arguably just emulate view so it costs the advertiser even more than the lost view. If Google don't want to do that themselves (which would be understandable) they could likely expose it in APIs so plugins like ad blockers can do it.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by enzanki_ars on Thursday February 04, 2016 @01:39PM (#11036122)
Why not block it at the source instead? Prevent these types of ads from being submitted to AdSense in the first place.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by onion2k on Thursday February 04, 2016 @12:44PM (#11035642)
Google can't do that. It'd be fraud.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by gherkin0 on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:04PM (#11037988)
I don't think it would be fraud if they did it to ads from non-Google networks. But yeah, they shouldn't fake views on ads that come from their own networks.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by JoshTriplett on Thursday February 04, 2016 @11:58AM (#11035270)
It's a necessary but not sufficient step. They should also block all such ads within AdSense.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by marcosdumay on Thursday February 04, 2016 @09:04AM (#11033921)
> By stopping the ads in AdSense rogue advertisers would just change to a different ad network. The problem wouldn't stop.

It would stop the problem on every Google's partner that decided to trust it by displaying its ads.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by spdustin on Thursday February 04, 2016 @01:11PM (#11035899)
> By stopping the ads in AdSense rogue advertisers would just change to a different ad network

The sites that "everyday folk" browse are much more likely to be running ads from the AdSense network. Forcing the rogue advertisers to place ads on a smaller network serves to cost them (money or time) without the reward of the revenue they'd otherwise get from AdSense-enabled drive-bys.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by kristianp on Thursday February 04, 2016 @07:56PM (#11038598)
It's a good move, but it seems unlikely that they going to block a site that's only using AdSense to serve up deceptive ads. Where is the announcement that adsense/adwords will detect those ads as well?
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by blantonl on Thursday February 04, 2016 @09:03AM (#11033912)
Spot On.

I run an online media streaming site for public safety communications, and we've noticed that Adsense advertisers often use these exact social engineering techniques to display download/play links that end up having customers install crappy spyware infested "media players" and other software.

My jaw dropped when I saw this blog post.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by criddell on Thursday February 04, 2016 @11:36AM (#11035107)
I'm semi-serious here, but if you noticed that you are serving ads that are harming your users, why would you continue to use ad-sense? Why not switch to a different ad network and let Google know why you switched?
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by fixermark on Thursday February 04, 2016 @11:39AM (#11035134)
Based on other comments in this thread: does such an ad network exist?

If all your options are terrible, you might as well use the terrible option with the largest ROI, right?

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by drhayes9 on Thursday February 04, 2016 @11:51AM (#11035216)
> might as well use the terrible option with the highest ROI, right?

No, thanks. Does The Deck serve spammy, malicious ads? I know they're tightly targeted at the techy/designy crowd, but they're also a great example of high ROI ads that aren't terrible.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by cloudwalking on Thursday February 04, 2016 @12:27PM (#11035507)
You can't just use The Deck, you have to be invited.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by drhayes9 on Thursday February 04, 2016 @12:57PM (#11035765)
Valid point. But I still reject the notion of "that sucks but might as well get mine". Sounds like there's a lot of space for ad networks that don't suck. Or monetization models that don't rely on spammy, useless ads.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by FenugreekAcerb on Thursday February 04, 2016 @03:37PM (#11037006)
> Or monetization models that don't rely on spammy, useless ads.

I'm struggling to find one, any idea?

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by criddell on Thursday February 04, 2016 @04:17PM (#11037293)
Build something so good, people will pay for it? It seems to work for companies like Netflix and Toyota.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by cloudwalking on Thursday February 04, 2016 @05:37PM (#11037852)
But not companies like Google, or Facebook, or Twitter...
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by criddell on Friday February 05, 2016 @09:01AM (#11041399)
Nobody suggested there's one solution for everybody. I was just responding to the comment that advertising is the only monetization strategy and that's ridiculous.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by JoshTriplett on Thursday February 04, 2016 @12:01PM (#11035301)
> If all your options are terrible, you might as well use the terrible option with the largest ROI, right?

One of the options is "stop running ads". Why is a "site for public safety communications" running ads at all?

Public safety announcement: block all ads to make your browsing much safer. Use Adblock Plus (with so-called "acceptable ads" turned off) or uBlock Origin.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by spdustin on Thursday February 04, 2016 @01:15PM (#11035942)
He's not running a public safety institution, he runs a site that has live audio streams from police / emergency scanners.

(incidentally, Lindsay, I've used http://www.radioreference.com to learn a great deal about Software Defined Radio, and I occasionally listen to various Illinois streams on http://www.broadcastify.com - thanks for running these sites!)

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by JoshTriplett on Thursday February 04, 2016 @05:24PM (#11037785)
> He's not running a public safety institution, he runs a site that has live audio streams from police / emergency scanners.

Thanks for the clarification; that makes more sense.

I'd still echo the comments from elsewhere in the thread about not doing business with a vendor with shady practices just because other vendors do no better.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by criddell on Thursday February 04, 2016 @12:01PM (#11035304)
I don't think I'd be comfortable doing that.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by mattmanser on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:42AM (#11033347)
It's a big company, I can imagine the browser guys wanting this but the ad guys saying they "can't" do this and there being a mini-war.

You get the sense that sort of thing happens all the time at microsoft for example, before Ballmer left it felt like the ASP.Net team were pulling in one direction, the Visual Studio team another and the IIS team had gone rabid and were just trying to bite everyone.

It happens when different products have different priorities.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by LeifCarrotson on Thursday February 04, 2016 @10:14AM (#11034399)
It also happens when one department is perceived as an "expense" like IT or R&D, and starts pushing against "revenue-generating" departments like sales.

Of course, all components of a properly-functioning organization are revenue-generating. An idealized business in some respects would be people giving you money with no money being spent. Everyone knows that's not how the world works, but it's awfully hard to justify on a quarterly statement.

At Google, many departments aren't directly revenue-generating. Sure, Chrome and Android help people browse the Internet, where they view ads, but that's quite removed from actually selling the product, and those are very large projects. Search, maps, and gmail can show ads internally to generate revenue, but that's still a layer removed. Perhaps Google Apps and Drive are loss leaders, and maybe Fiber will make money eventually, but Glass? Calico? Driverless cars? Loon? Seriously, where does the money for these projects come from? I suppose you can answer "AdSense and AdWords", but why do those businesses give them money? And the harder question is how do they generate political and cultural capital to maintain these expenses?

At most of the companies I have been involved with, these projects would have been cut, outsourced, or consumed by the AdWords and AdSense teams. But there's little question that the world is better and the Internet is used more because of projects like Search, Gmail, Android, and Chrome.

How does Google generate this culture? How can other companies replicate this process?

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by ZanyProgrammer on Thursday February 04, 2016 @10:23AM (#11034467)
Didn't Oracle reveal recently (maybe I'm totally misremembering this) that Google receives a shitload of revenue via Android?
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by downandout on Thursday February 04, 2016 @11:56AM (#11035258)
Yes. To date, Android has generated $31 billion in revenue and $22 billion in net profit.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-21/google-s-a...

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by ceph_ on Thursday February 04, 2016 @07:27PM (#11038430)
Counting web ads served to users as revenue generated by the computer's operating system is ludicrous. Oracle is trying to misrepresent the amount of money made so they can sue for damages. The numbers are BS.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by throwawaykf05 on Thursday February 04, 2016 @11:00PM (#11039307)
> Counting web ads served to users as revenue generated by the computer's operating system is ludicrous.

Why? Isn't that precisely why Google invested so much in Android?

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by humbleMouse on Thursday February 04, 2016 @10:24AM (#11034480)
These are very good questions. I have wondered the same for a long time. Can anybody shed some light on this?
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by fixermark on Thursday February 04, 2016 @10:39AM (#11034588)
There are a lot of pieces to that puzzle. One of them is a stock program that basically guarantees the investors have a voice, but zero actual steering capacity for the company, coupled with a CEO who wants to take risks, coupled with a company track record of risks paying off in bizarrely outsized ways just often enough to keep investors hungry for the stock in spite of the fact that ownership of the stock grants them no control.

In short, the company's founders have the ability to steer where the company's money goes, nobody has the authority to tell them otherwise, and so far benevolent dictatorship is working. To give a concrete contrasting example, Apple ousted Steve Jobs when his leadership became fiscally risky; because of Alphabet's stock structure, there's no legal way for holders to directly oust Larry Page.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by stvswn on Thursday February 04, 2016 @09:15PM (#11038942)
Nope. The ads team at Google has been actively working against these types of ads for years. No one at Google wants to serve bad ads.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by cm2187 on Thursday February 04, 2016 @11:53AM (#11035230)
Most websites seem not to care about the content they deliver to their visitors. When I visit xyz.com, it is xyz.com's job to ensure that it doesn't deliver to me malicious content. I have zero sympathy for xyz.com telling me that it's not their problem, they serve 3rd party ads and if these ads are malicious it's the fault of these advertisers not their.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by colanderman on Thursday February 04, 2016 @11:58AM (#11035268)
Sure, this is fine, but Google seems to plan to block sites which show malicious ads served by Google's AdSense. That's idiotic.

This is the second case in a month of Google punishing web publishers for using Google products. (The previous case was Google punishing non-https search results, when in fact many of Google's own web publishing tools don't support https.)

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by ocdtrekkie on Thursday February 04, 2016 @07:24PM (#11038411)
And I'm willing to bet Google will make a special exception for itself. I actually posted a screenshot on my G+ page yesterday of the most recent fake download button I saw online... On a YouTube banner ad, served by Google AdSense.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by Nutmog on Thursday February 04, 2016 @11:13PM (#11039354)
Do they have a history of making exceptions for themselves? If not, then you winning this bet will be quite a big deal - it'll show them as anti-competitive. They'd be forcing customers to use their AdSense product instead of just-as-good competitors.

Maybe they'll just give this "malvertising" detection software to AdSense who can then filter their own content before it hits websites. I'd be more willing to bet this will be the beginning of Adsense cleaning itself up than what you suggest.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by colanderman on Friday February 05, 2016 @10:07AM (#11041851)
Yes. On last week's story, a commenter mentioned how they decreed that web pages which showed a full-page ad on landing would be penalized in search, yet they themselves continued to show a full-page ad in mobile GMail for the GMail app, and it remained the first hit for "e-mail".
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by megablast on Thursday February 04, 2016 @05:01PM (#11037642)
Says someone who has never managed webs on a website.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by 20years on Thursday February 04, 2016 @10:58AM (#11034773)
Exactly this. Ads served through Adsense are flooded with these. We have spent countless hours trying to block all of them but they just pop up again under a different domain. So is Google going to punish publishers who are using Adsense if these ads come through Adsense?
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by enzanki_ars on Thursday February 04, 2016 @01:33PM (#11036090)
I could only wish that Google will punish their own sites the same too. There are countless ads on YouTube claiming to provide free Minecraft downloads, commonly shown to very young viewers of YouTube. You might even be able to see these right now by turning on Private Browsing and disabling your ad-blocker.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by 20years on Thursday February 04, 2016 @02:48PM (#11036628)
Yep! This is a big issue on pretty much most Minecraft specific content sites & videos. I think these spammers specifically target Minecraft keywords and Minecraft sites through Adwords display ads knowing that kids will click the ads. If your site has Minecraft content and is serving Adsense within that content, you are almost certain to have these types of ads display. Not the fault of the actual content site but an issue with the spammers targeting through Adwords.

It is really common actually on most game content or videos that are geared towards the youth. These Adwords spammers target this category specifically.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by idiot900 on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:48AM (#11033385)
Google doesn't control all advertisers. Presumably this applies to sites with non-Google ads too.

Also, if these ads are rejected immediately (or nearly so) by Google, it will provide that much more feedback that malicious advertisers can use to "improve" their ads that much more quickly.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by tobltobs on Thursday February 04, 2016 @07:22AM (#11033510)
Those download buttons look always the same. Oh wait, they changed their color. After years of blue buttons they are now green. So Goolge can detect your face in a crowd on a photo, but can not detect a download button on small ad?
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by JacobJans on Thursday February 04, 2016 @04:41PM (#11037480)
I too have seriously struggled with this. I recently discovered that you can ban this entire category of ads (mostly). Go to "Allow & block ads", then "sensitive categories" and select "Ringtones & Downloadables." This will remove most of these types of ads.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by smileysteve on Thursday February 04, 2016 @10:44AM (#11034642)
I agree, I have a personal blog and wanted to experiment with ads, so I put AdSense up there. I reported the "Download" ones but just kept getting more, so i finally removed the ads.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by notzorbo3 on Thursday February 04, 2016 @09:35AM (#11034114)
> We run Adsense display ads on our site and have to spend significant time every day reviewing and blocking new ads which try to use these deceptive practices.

This may be a very stupid question, but are there no ad networks that are more trustworthy?

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by davidgerard on Thursday February 04, 2016 @12:41PM (#11035629)
tl;dr no. AdSense sucks, but all other networks are actually worse. (There are tiny ad networks that are actually trustworthy, e.g. Project Wonderful, but they won't make you a living.)
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by fencepost on Thursday February 04, 2016 @12:39PM (#11035603)
You could look at something like Project Wonderful, but I think they're a little more geared towards small-scale niche advertising (gaming, comics, blogs).

Actually, never mind. I just looked and their top 5 sites are all well under 1,000,000 page views - and 4 of the 5 are webcomics plus Omegle which I think is one of those random chat sites that popped up a few years ago.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by dsmithatx on Thursday February 04, 2016 @12:35PM (#11035579)
Well I used to work for a few Ad Publishers and they are on this list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_advertising_networks

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by Animats on Thursday February 04, 2016 @02:07PM (#11036337)
I used to have a Firefox add-on which rated the sites linked to in Google ads.[1] I could have deleted the ads, but didn't. Should I bring that back?

It was amusing to run that. Ad quality was much better on some sites than others. Ads on Business Week pages were generally legitimate. Ads on entertainment sites were awful.

Totally deleting ads seems to have won out over merely thinning them out.

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adrater/

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by kbenson on Thursday February 04, 2016 @01:51PM (#11036213)
Well, it's a way for Google to throw their weight around to multiple effects.

First, it's positively perceived and accepted by end users, which is good for Google and end-users.

Second, it punishes ad networks that don't spend the time to vet what types of adds are allowed. As an end-user, I'm in favor of this.

Third, it boosts ad networks that do spend time vetting ads to prevent malicious ones. Presumably Google, and other networks, that spend time and resources doing this will see a return on that effort. This is good for responsible ad networks, and as an end-user, I'm in favor of this idea to the extent that it should hopefully reduce these malicious ads overall.

It's easy to see this as a way for Google to boost their own ad network, but I think that's too cynical of a take. They aren't boosting themselves specifically, they are punishing bad-actors and boosting good actors overall.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by Avshalom on Thursday February 04, 2016 @02:01PM (#11036296)
>>Second, it punishes ad networks that don't spend the time to vet what types of adds are allowed. As an end-user, I'm in favor of this.

It punishes the sites using those ad networks directly, the networks themselves are indirectly punished.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by kbenson on Thursday February 04, 2016 @02:17PM (#11036411)
Well, it punished them both. An ad network that can't display it's ads in places it could before is a form of direct punishment. Forcing sites for choosing ad networks that don't vet their ads well is an additional indirect punishment as well, as it may encourage those sites to choose a more discerning ad network.

On one hand it's unfortunate that the site is being punished, on the other hand maybe they deserve some responsibility for not being more selective. I'm not sure.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by the_gipsy on Thursday February 04, 2016 @03:54PM (#11037135)
No, it's not a "ploy", it's the only realistic action google could take. It would be a huge business mistake to ban malvertisers from adsense, because those would move to other networks, which would then in turn be preferred by publishers because that's where the money moves. Adsense would lose, and the consumer wouldn't have won anything.

The publishers aren't innocent at all. They decide to place ads right above, below, and all around the real download button. Because they know that a good percentage of their consumers will be tricked, and so they get payed.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by yyin on Thursday February 04, 2016 @10:46PM (#11039262)
"It's a clever ploy..."

Not really all that clever. Same old story. They take users for fools. Maybe users will stay dumb re: ads, but then maybe not. It's amusing to watch the companies that must jam the ads into your pages to make money claiming they can "make the internet faster" (a previous ploy) or "safer" for users. These companies are part of the problem, not the solution. Unless they find a new "business model". But why bother when this one - being a middleman to people's use of the internet, selling ads and jamming them into every page they can - works so well?

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by stvswn on Thursday February 04, 2016 @09:13PM (#11038930)
What you are describing is already against Google's policies for advertisers, and they do implement it in a very thorough review process for all ads: https://support.google.com/adwordspolicy/answer/6020955

Do you report the deceptive ads to Google? https://support.google.com/adsense/troubleshooter/1190500?hl...

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by Pharaoh2 on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:03AM (#11033185)
Google doesn't charge for ads, it charges for impressions. If you user doesn't seem it, google doesn't get paid.

It also seems like a very different tech than trying to determine what an ad script will actually show a user. So it's not easy as if they can do A they can do B. Still doesn't excuse the fact that they should be doing their best to block those kind of ads in their ad network.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by oliwarner on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:33AM (#11033314)
FWIW, "impression" means "request". Who knows what the user saw.

Google AdSense is pay-per-click (or some algorithm, based on clicks against and the subject matter's value). In the context of adware rubbish, we are probably talking about AdSense. So no, Google doesn't pay per impression.

DoubleClick (part of Google for some time) may still offer an impression-based product. My experience of them a few years ago was that they'd negotiate on anything if you have enough traffic to make it worth their time.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by Pharaoh2 on Thursday February 04, 2016 @02:02PM (#11036302)
Are you talking about google paying the website for each click/impression or are you talking about advertisers paying google for each click/impression. Both are termed under impressions (CPM or PPM). And in both cases google loses money in rolling out this feature.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by rbobby on Thursday February 04, 2016 @05:47PM (#11037901)
You'd think that Google could use a Bayesian classifier to detect malicious AdSense display ads at setup time. Add an appeal process to take care of ongoing training.

This would negatively affect Google's revenue... which is probably why they haven't done so.

Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by hyperpallium on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:39PM (#11038161)
Fits with Google: free consumer services (paid for by advertisers); and Google gets the highest price possible by letting advertisers fight it out in real time (the other advertisers are the bad guys... but Google gets the money).
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by blubb-fish on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:03AM (#11033187)
yes, yes and yes ...
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by dzhiurgis on Thursday February 04, 2016 @06:05AM (#11033198)
I would expect an ad blocker to block stuff like this.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by Finnucane on Thursday February 04, 2016 @09:35AM (#11034112)
I would not expect Google to recommend using an ad blocker. They still want you to be able to see the 'good' ads.
Re:No More Deceptive Download Buttons by dzhiurgis on Thursday February 04, 2016 @04:15PM (#11037278)
They also recommend not do any evil if you do not want it to be posted publicly on the internet (E. Schmidt in particular).