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Re:Do Elite Colleges Lead to Higher Salaries? Only for Some ... by mikekchar on Monday February 01, 2016 @08:45PM (#11017163)
I did not go to an elite school. Most people will probably not have heard of my school ;-). With that caveat in mind, here is my experience from hiring programmers over a couple of decades.

Good programmers from elite schools are in high demand and can ask for relatively high salaries. When I have been working in companies with big budgets, I can get good programmers from elite schools. When I have been working in companies with smaller budgets, I can't.

However, as you infer, I don't find a big difference in the quality of new graduates based on the school that they went to. Overall they seem to have a very similar gradient of ability. The schools can differ on what they concentrate on, but I have found that good quality programmers suck up everything around them anyway. Whatever they missed at school they have either independently worked on, or are keen to learn after school.

From a hiring point of view, I actually target people from lesser known schools simply because there seems to be a higher percentage of good people available. Obviously from a getting hired perspective, you will have a greater chance of working on a team with a big budget right out of school if you go to an elite school.

One thing I learned when I worked as a teacher: good students need very little in the way of instruction. Point them in a direction and give them freedom to learn. That will give you the best results. In fact I have been fortunate to work with several really marvellous programmers who were self-taught (though I don't recommend that approach for most people -- it's hard to focus and to know what is best to concentrate on).

From my perspective, an elite school is ideal if you are hoping to make contacts and to go to a big famous company right out of school. If your goal is to learn, then you can save a HUGE amount of money by choosing a less prestigious school. I graduated with no debt (admittedly I worked programming for various professors all through school). It takes a pretty big difference in starting salary to offset that kind of advantage.

Re:Do Elite Colleges Lead to Higher Salaries? Only for Some ... by taurath on Monday February 01, 2016 @09:29PM (#11017312)
Nice to hear that perspective. I'm self taught and don't recommend it for the same reason - its also actually quite difficult to find professional mentors if you're not already in some sort of professional field with a close link to software or coding. In most ways, having no college requires more connections than college!

Still, the cost of any college is absolutely stifling unless you're willing to take on a lot of debt or have parents willing to support you - unless you have absolutely top grades. Too many very intelligent people I know growing up had social or parental problems - passed all their tests but couldn't do the homework due to trouble at home.

Re:Do Elite Colleges Lead to Higher Salaries? Only for Some ... by mikekchar on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @04:37AM (#11018483)
4 years of salary instead of paying for school is going to end up being pretty close to $200K even if you are paid at the very low end. That's nothing to sneeze at. The downside (as you know) is finding time to study, figuring out what you should study and making sure you stay employed for those 4 years. After that I don't think you're really at any disadvantage compared to a new grad.

I think the major downside to skipping school is that it makes it nearly impossible to immigrate to another country sometime in your life. A degree in a related field is worth its weight in gold in that case.

Re:Do Elite Colleges Lead to Higher Salaries? Only for Some ... by taurath on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @04:26PM (#11022772)
That problem is one I'm firmly coming to grips with. I'm actually considering looking into school in another country where its cheaper and they have more need, but I'm afraid that nearing 30 is too old for most institutions (especially on the pay part). I've yet to see almost any resources or help for people later in life wanting to go to school. I'm enjoying my debt-free living and not living anywhere near the level to what I make but I'm afraid of losing out on opportunities in the future, especially with my want to travel extensively.
Re:Do Elite Colleges Lead to Higher Salaries? Only for Some ... by mikekchar on Wednesday February 03, 2016 @08:32PM (#11031365)
Hopefully you'll see this. You may have the best luck by actually trying to get a master's degree, qualifying for it with your 12 years of experience. Normally that would be considered enough. They will probably make you do a "qualifying year" of 4th year courses, but those are the most interesting anyway. This cuts the time from no-degree to degree to 2 years from 4. Especially because master's programmes often have a light course load, you can also reasonably do it part time (allowing you to work at the same time). Finally, if you manage to do very well in your "qualifying" courses, you can often find more age-appropriate financial assistance in grad school than undergrad. Hope that helps!
Re:Do Elite Colleges Lead to Higher Salaries? Only for Some ... by taurath on Thursday February 04, 2016 @04:28PM (#11037387)
That is great to hear - thank you very much! Did some research and it looks possible, though not particularly likely. My 12 years of experience isn't directly in programming unfortunately - I work in video games as a PM/assistant producer before moving to code about 5 years ago.
Re:Do Elite Colleges Lead to Higher Salaries? Only for Some ... by gizi on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @02:07AM (#11018012)
With change inevitably and regularly hitting technology, everybody in the field will end up becoming self taught. The ones who are not, will sooner or later have to leave. A demonstrated ability to self teach is therefore the number one requirement for anybody who considers a career in programming. In other words, you could as well start right away like that. If you fail early on, you should pick another field and you will have saved yourself a lot of misery in the future.
Re:Do Elite Colleges Lead to Higher Salaries? Only for Some ... by taurath on Tuesday February 02, 2016 @04:27PM (#11022795)
Thats quite true. I've attempted to guide several people and the ones that do well are the ones that will stubbornly constantly attempt to solve and research the problems themselves - I have to keep checking up on them to resolve roadblocks. The ones who do less well are the ones who need a constant high levels of guidance.