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Re:The collaboration curse by lettergram on Monday February 01, 2016 @11:28AM (#11012731)
I work in an open office, and would consider myself a knowledge worker. The easiest way to manage it is to work from home, however I also positioned my desk in a corner facing the window (so my back to the room) I also by default put wvery meeting invite to tenative and ubless its absolutely necessary i dont show up.

All that has put me at odds with management to a degree. However, im given all the hard problems and churn out solutions. Based on projects completed, im doing the work of 4 employees at the same level. I should also add that I still answer 5 - 20 questions from coworkers a day, and am the go-to guy to fix many issues (so I dont completely shut myself off). This has put me in a position where my manager has hinted that im going to get promoted if I keep it up.

Of course the company I work for has "non-management management" i.e. you can become a VP without having to manage people. This lets the anti-social hard-core workers still move up in rank and pay.

Re:The collaboration curse by verisimilidude on Monday February 01, 2016 @12:17PM (#11013189)
You will not get promoted. As long as you're super valuable in your current role, they only have incentive to keep you put. I got strung along with that bullshit for years at my first job before I learned this lesson.

It's not a total loss though. If they do find you valuable, play hard on your salary.

Re:The collaboration curse by lettergram on Monday February 01, 2016 @12:37PM (#11013402)
I tried to explain that in my original comment, but did a poor job. They can promote you, but you keep your role. i.e. you can be promoted to "VP of Web Development" essentially. So your role doesn't change, but your responsibilities related to engineering can increase.

This can lead to some pretty weird hierarchy where a people manager at the director level is managing an engineering manager at the VP level. However, I feel it is a pretty interesting environment and lets both "knowledge works" and "people managers" be rewarded on equal footing.

Re:The collaboration curse by st3v3r on Monday February 01, 2016 @01:30PM (#11013990)
Does the "VP of Web Development" get paid on par with the VP of Marketing or VP of Sales?
Re:The collaboration curse by cookiecaper on Monday February 01, 2016 @02:48PM (#11014810)
Don't believe this line of crap. Employment is a popularity contest. You need to be popular to climb the ladder. Literally turning your back on the room and refusing to go to meetings makes you unpopular. It's true that your popularity among your superiors is the most important popularity, but popularity among your peers is also important; if you can't get the respect of your subordinates you won't be an effective manager. People will work to undercut you. In 99% of cases, you won't get their respect if they think you don't like them.

In aggregate, peoples' behaviors are very predictable. Before every action, ask if this kind of thing would endear a toddler to you or not. If it would, it's a good thing to do. If it wouldn't, it's going to be an uphill battle and you'll have to do many toddler-approved things to undo the damage.

This is why you should bring donuts for the office every week; toddlers love getting edible treats, and so do grownups. Make sure everyone knows you're the one who brought them, without looking like you're making sure everyone knows that you're the one who brought them. This will make people like you more.

Turn your desk around and start going to all their meetings. Say supportive and encouraging things. Make irrelevant broad, philosophical statements, literally stuff you'd find on motivation posters. You'll get popular fast.

If you care about your career, you must realize that your actual job is only ~20% of what you're paid for. You're really paid to be likeable and charming, someone that everyone wants to keep around the office. Do whatever you have to do to keep your code limping along and then put the rest of your energy into becoming popular. You'll be promoted and tasked to hire a version of yourself that hasn't learned these lessons yet, and the cycle will continue.

Re:The collaboration curse by slig on Monday February 01, 2016 @11:57AM (#11013007)
It seems to me that depending on where you're working, being the person that always saves the day and that does the "work of 4 employees at the same level" is a sure way to not get promoted.
Re:The collaboration curse by nucleardog on Monday February 01, 2016 @02:15PM (#11014479)
As long as higher pay doesn't require rank, however, it's a great way to keep pushing your salary upward.
Re:The collaboration curse by moron4hire on Monday February 01, 2016 @12:07PM (#11013102)
> This has put me in a position where my manager has hinted that im going to get promoted if I keep it up.

You're not going to get promoted. That's just a bullshit game they play to pressure you into putting in more hours.

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