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Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by kasey_junk on Thursday January 28, 2016 @01:43PM (#10990207)
I think the truth is somewhere between your guys' position. There is a very real statistical difference between the crime rates between neighborhoods. But its also true that the actual incident rate is much exaggerated by the media and perceptions of neighborhood differences are greater than reality.

One thing that is for sure, young black teens/men have a much, much more dangerous time of it, regardless of neighborhood than anyone else, and that is tragic.

And while we are adding anecdotes to the thread, I've lived in a "bad" neighborhood on Chicago's South Side for over a decade and I've never had a single violent incident (property crime has occurred). In that same span I was attacked in Lincoln Park and Streeterville, and had an attempted bicycle incident near McCormick Place.

I routinely walk in front of crowds of young men hanging on corners (its daily for me as I pass by a couple of schools) and have never had an incident (and I in fact know many of those young men). But there are also neighborhoods less than a mile away where I would not be comfortable doing that.

Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by thaumasiotes on Thursday January 28, 2016 @03:48PM (#10991188)
> have never had an incident (and I in fact know many of those young men)

You don't think those two things might be related?

> But its also true that the actual incident rate is much exaggerated by the media and perceptions of neighborhood differences are greater than reality.

"Reality" is a tricky concept here. Public (out-of-neighborhood) perception of risk will depress the incident rate by keeping victims out of the area. If you magically caused people to believe that the risk was at some level that you felt reflected the current incident rate, and the incident rate rose because people started going where they shouldn't have, whose beliefs were more accurate?

People don't really care about "how often do muggings take place in this neighborhood?". They care about "if I go in there, am I going to get mugged?".

Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by tptacek on Thursday January 28, 2016 @01:53PM (#10990299)
I think we probably agree completely.

Also, can we all agree that we'd feel a lot less safe in Wrigleyville after a Cubs game than anywhere else in the city?

Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by kasey_junk on Thursday January 28, 2016 @01:56PM (#10990320)
The Lincoln Park incident involved a white 20 something lawyer...
Re:Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audi... by dtornabene on Thursday January 28, 2016 @10:38PM (#10993321)
a thousand times this. I've lived in Wrigleyville, Lincoln Park, Jeff Park, Wicker Park (almost humboldt, probably technically humboldt). Worked all across the south side. Worked downtown at a coffee kiosk. The places I've felt most unsafe were Wrigley during/after cubs game and downtown after the blackhawks won. I've been assaulted both ways.

Edit -> forgot LoganSq!!!