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Re:California Police Used Stingrays in Planes to Spy on Phones by ChuckMcM on Wednesday January 27, 2016 @11:06PM (#10986174)
This kind of stuff always annoys me. One of the interesting things would be a 'home designed' cell system based on using unlicensed spectrum in the TV white spaces. Then you could build a system where a phone only answered a tower which sent out an ident frame which was cryptographically signed by a trusted key. And the response would be encrypted with that trusted key as well so only the cell tower could decrypt it. That and an VOIP back haul network and you're closer.

Its on my list of projects to look at with SDR, but sadly I am no Fabrice Ballard (who no doubt has already built such a system as a proof of concept and then tossed it away)

Re:California Police Used Stingrays in Planes to Spy on Phones by superuser2 on Thursday January 28, 2016 @12:27AM (#10986478)
To get decent coverage you need to negotiate and pay for space, power, and internet connectivity on thousands of towers/tall buildings all owned by different people and municipalities who see you as somewhere between an annoyance and a revenue stream to exploit. Then you need a field workforce capable of performing maintenance at all of those sites (which requires making appointments and sometimes paying fees to the property owners), a supply chain of spare parts, and the RF expertise and test equipment to measure and do quality control on their coverage all around the cities you're operating in.

Then you need a way to recoup all this cost.

Being a cell carrier takes staggering amounts of money and staggering amounts of schlep. It's not for hobbyists, hackers, or small companies (who are not in fact carriers but just resell and rebrand real carriers' services). There is a reason it's the domain of giant corporations run by the kind of people who make deals (and not write code) for a living.

Re:California Police Used Stingrays in Planes to Spy on Phones by ChuckMcM on Thursday January 28, 2016 @11:54AM (#10989331)
This is one of the reasons its a fun idea. The TV bands (50 - 210Mhz) can cover a huge area from a single antenna (that was their original modality) but because of the inverse square law, it means that a much smaller and lower power antenna nearby can still get a big chunk of real estate. During some experiments at a company that will remain nameless it was something like 1 antenna could easily cover 2 mile diameter circle, 4 would cover 8 square miles, and 30 - 40 could cover nearly all of the cities around the SF bay.

The actual cellular mechanics are quite an undertaking, but something along the lines of a coded point to point system would be implementable by a small group of people.

Re:California Police Used Stingrays in Planes to Spy on Phones by superuser2 on Thursday January 28, 2016 @01:40PM (#10990185)
Again, the problem is getting the antennae up high. Unless you and your small group happen to own some radio towers and/or tall buildings, range is going to be much much smaller.
Re:California Police Used Stingrays in Planes to Spy on Phones by kuschku on Thursday January 28, 2016 @02:06AM (#10986806)
Running a cell provider is not that hard.

A lot of companies have their own towers that only provide service within of a city, and for events, you can even set up your own network, like the CCC always does during their conferences.

Having a national, or even global network is a lot harder, though.

Re:California Police Used Stingrays in Planes to Spy on Phones by voltagex_ on Thursday January 28, 2016 @12:30AM (#10986488)
You're better off assuming the network is hostile and then encrypting at a higher layer, ZRTP, OTR and so on.
Re:California Police Used Stingrays in Planes to Spy on Phones by humbleMouse on Thursday January 28, 2016 @10:16AM (#10988603)
+ for ZRTP and OTR - good comment. Always assume the network is compromised.