Re:Barack Obama: Why we must rethink solitary confinement
by pluma on Tuesday January 26, 2016 @01:28PM
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Specifically, the US tends to be obsessed with the first R, not just in jail terms but also how the law is applied. Especially with "values"-based laws.
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Re:Barack Obama: Why we must rethink solitary confinement
by mbillie1 on Tuesday January 26, 2016 @01:38PM
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Not only is that true, but the first R is also the one providing the least value to society, aside from sating the vengeance-lust of generally uninvolved parties.
Re:Barack Obama: Why we must rethink solitary confinement
by pluma on Tuesday January 26, 2016 @02:00PM
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When I said values I didn't mean "value" as in "benefit" but moral values (which in the US were heavily shaped by Puritan Christianity). Vengeance is a part of that, reimbursing the victims for their suffering by punishing the offender (and thus making them suffer "in return").
As an example, in capital punishment allowing specifically members of the families of the victims to sit in on an execution is solely based on vengeance. Neutral observers, sure -- to document it. Relatives and family, sure -- to allow them to say goodbye. But the victims' involvement ends with that of the judges. If it weren't for the aspect of vengeance, the execution would be "not for them", it's just carrying out the sentence.