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Re:Enable Node.js to Run with Microsoft's ChakraCore Engine by Klathmon on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @01:03PM (#10932492)
And that was just the first thing off the top of my head, there are tons of other little performance things that many people consider a "JavaScript thing" instead of a "V8 thing"
Re:Enable Node.js to Run with Microsoft's ChakraCore Engine by Touche on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @02:45PM (#10933390)
Does it matter? If V8 deoptimizes code with try/catch, then I as a developer need to account for that.
Re:Enable Node.js to Run with Microsoft's ChakraCore Engine by Klathmon on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @03:21PM (#10933671)
It does!

V8 has expressed interest in fixing the try/catch deopt, but it keeps falling behind on their list because not many people are using it.

Most people aren't using it because V8 (and in some minds, mine included until 5 days ago, all of Javascript) doesn't optimize it.

It's a bit of a catch 22, and having alternate engines where that deopt doesn't happen can be the way out.

Basically having an alternate engine makes sure that stuff like this doesn't become permanent. You'll probably avoid try/catch in performance code for the near future (and i'll most likely do it as well), but the hope is that multiple implementations will force V8 to fix that issue (if it can be called that) at some point and eventually this little bit of optimization will no longer be necessary.

Re:Enable Node.js to Run with Microsoft's ChakraCore Engine by STRML on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:09PM (#10935359)
> it keeps falling behind on their list because not many people are using it.

How can that be true? try/catch is as common a JS idiom as a for loop.

This causes significant trouble all over React and many other libraries, as many hot areas of code are covered in try/catches to ensure developer error doesn't blow the whole render. Optimizing it could lead to pretty serious performance gains.

Re:Enable Node.js to Run with Microsoft's ChakraCore Engine by chrisseaton on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @03:45PM (#10933863)
I don't think V8 deoptimises on a try-catch - I think it doesn't optimise in the first place. It's a bailout rather than an uncommon trap I believe.
Re:Enable Node.js to Run with Microsoft's ChakraCore Engine by lttlrck on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @06:56PM (#10935053)
We already have alternate engines in web browsers.
Re:Enable Node.js to Run with Microsoft's ChakraCore Engine by Sanddancer on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @08:11PM (#10935362)
Yes, you need to account for that, and potentially make the decision that you should investigate targeting a different engine as the one you develop against. Your infrastructure should absolutely not be set in stone, and this includes looking at different compilers, different javascript engines, and different operating systems. If the most straightforward way of writing your code involves lots of try/catch blocks, then it sounds reasonable that you should target an engine that provides better speed for try/catch blocks.
Re:Enable Node.js to Run with Microsoft's ChakraCore Engine by dsp1234 on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @03:36PM (#10933796)
then I as a developer need to account for that

Why? Switch out V8 for ChakraCore. Having multiple engines means you, as a developer, get to pick the right tool for the job. That's not always V8.

Re:Enable Node.js to Run with Microsoft's ChakraCore Engine by kuschku on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @02:58PM (#10933491)
Why? Most users aren’t on V8.
Re:Enable Node.js to Run with Microsoft's ChakraCore Engine by Touche on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @03:03PM (#10933532)
Because a lot of them do, and nearly 100% of servers do.
Re:Enable Node.js to Run with Microsoft's ChakraCore Engine by kuschku on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @05:40PM (#10934671)
More of a reason to stop supporting their bugs, and force users and servers to migrate to a more standard-compliant solution.

You are just turning V8 into the new IE6 by adapting to it.

(Although, in reality, you probably won’t be able to do this, and will end up having to support the non-standard behaviour of V8.)

Re:Enable Node.js to Run with Microsoft's ChakraCore Engine by magicalist on Tuesday January 19, 2016 @10:34PM (#10935901)
I think you're confused. It's not a bug, try/catch executes just fine.

try/catch just isn't supported by V8's Crankshaft so some people avoid putting it in potentially hot code.

Re:Enable Node.js to Run with Microsoft's ChakraCore Engine by kuschku on Wednesday January 20, 2016 @07:00AM (#10937475)
Why do they avoid using it?

That's like not using CSS3 because IE6 doesn't support it.

Sure, some users of an antiquated browser will not get the full performance, but I have no sympathy for them.

If something doesn't work on Firefox, it's always "just switch to Chrome, our site only works on Chrome". If it doesn't work on Chrome, all hell breaks loose.