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Re:MH370 search team finds second shipwreck by kbart on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:21AM (#10900331)
There are better and more reliable technical means. It's simply mindblowing how in XXI century a plane can be lost with all these radars, satellites and transceivers around. There are many technical solutions using already existing technologies for tracking planes, it looks more like organizational and political problem.
Re:MH370 search team finds second shipwreck by ivanmilles on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:35AM (#10900367)
On the contrary. If you look at the projected search area, it's a huge swath of deep ocean. A plane is very small. Once it breaks up against the waves it's really, really small. The debris sinks into silt at the bottom of a deep ocean. Currents spread them out. Even if we knew where it went down, finding it is a difficult problem.

On top of that, we don't have radar tracking over the oceans. Transcievers don't communicate all the time while in flight. There are long periods of time where you are outside any national radar system. Compounded, it's entirely reasonable to lose a plane.

There are 15-20 planes that have never been found since the 1980s.

Re:MH370 search team finds second shipwreck by gsnedders on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:50AM (#10900411)
AF447 has to be the typical example of this: we had a good idea of where it crashed, having found debris within 48 hours of the crash, and yet it took nearly two years to find the wreckage.
Re:MH370 search team finds second shipwreck by TeMPOraL on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:13AM (#10900476)
In other words, 'kbart is right. We could track planes over the water, but for some reasons we don't bother. Not the future we've been promised. Maybe MH370 will make us start caring though.
Re:MH370 search team finds second shipwreck by dogma1138 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @10:39AM (#10902006)
Not sure if it's that easy you'll need over the horizon radars to have coverage over the ocean and it's not like they are cheap to build or easy to operate.

You'll also need to integrate that system across borders and jurisdiction which isn't easy politically.

It will also not surprise me if many actors want to have certain level of privacy as far as international airspace goes.

But the biggest factor at the end is cost compared to the relative costs of S&R missions if you did had additional tracking data. In the past 25 years only 3 scheduled passenger flights were not found including MH370 there were quite a few other private, chartered, and cargo flights that went missing mostly in tricky areas to search for in the first place like the Himalayas and the Indian Ocean.

It's doubtful that better radar coverage could even help with such cases even if you build a network of over the horizon radars which will scan for aircraft at various altitudes e.g. 2000-30000 ft. This will be very expensive and when you have a small aircraft that crashes onto a mountain side in an area where S&R can't get too or crashes over a 5KM deep ocean they might very well not help that much.

Re:MH370 search team finds second shipwreck by pixl97 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @08:32AM (#10901227)
> but for some reasons we don't bother.

Probably the massive amount of money involved, and for very little gain. Most of them are going to crash hard and end up in the bottom of the ocean in little bits. Knowing where they crashed isn't going to save anybody, they're dead on impact.

Re:MH370 search team finds second shipwreck by PhantomGremlin on Thursday January 14, 2016 @08:53AM (#10901343)
for very little gain

But there's a lot to gain in analyzing the data. E.g. AF447 was a perfectly flyable plane that was lost due to bad piloting.

I don't know if Air France has actually started training and/or screening their pilots to help prevent a similar accident. But that's why we search so diligently; we need to know what went wrong so we can try to fix it.

Re:MH370 search team finds second shipwreck by dogma1138 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @10:55AM (#10902108)
AF447 Is a bad example they found bodies (first 2 were found within 5 days of the crash) and some wreckage pretty much immediately. In this case the last known position wasn't "that off" our understanding of currents and ocean topography was.

Even if Radar will give you the exact point of impact with water (which it will never do) there are still so many variables that it might not be that much of a help to begin with over a general grid area.

Re:MH370 search team finds second shipwreck by elthran on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:31AM (#10900353)
Yeah - And that mystery is why its so important to find this plane in particular - all we really have now is wild mass guessing
Re:MH370 search team finds second shipwreck by rubberstamp on Thursday January 14, 2016 @06:29AM (#10900735)
Lets say the plane is under water. With current radar and sonar technologies, we didn't find the plane yet. What if the paint coating or some other part contained markers which could be more readily tracked.

An example would be a floating accelerometer/gyroscope/barometer combination found on almost all phones for instance. If plane crashes, the markers will float and its path can be reverse plotted based on stored sensor data, which we will get when we find one floating around. It doesn't need to have internet connectivity.

Re:MH370 search team finds second shipwreck by DanBC on Thursday January 14, 2016 @06:38AM (#10900769)
> What if the paint coating [...] contained markers which could be more readily tracked.

The ocean provides huge amounts of dilution.

Re:MH370 search team finds second shipwreck by tremon on Thursday January 14, 2016 @07:21AM (#10900906)
How do you propose to put something inside a plane and guarantee it will float after impact with water? Conversely, how do you mount something outside of a plane and guarantee that it will stick there through rain/snow, but still dislodge after a water landing?
Re:MH370 search team finds second shipwreck by antimatter on Thursday January 14, 2016 @02:54PM (#10903961)
Perhaps the device can eject itself if it senses an inevitable crash given sensor data.
Re:MH370 search team finds second shipwreck by rubberstamp on Thursday January 14, 2016 @08:14AM (#10901137)
We(as in humans) have engineered a lot of things. I am sure this can be engineered too, if someone in the industry tries.