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Re:Emergent Chip Vastly Accelerates Deep Neural Networks by nl on Monday January 11, 2016 @05:44PM (#10884173)
But that's the state of things, we have impressive results but from huge neural nets that we really cannot run in realtime on a mobile device.

This is absolutely incorrect.

A mobile device can execute a pretrained model fine. See, for example [1][2][3]. Google's new TensorFlow NN system is explicitly designed to be able to run on mobile devices and comes with a pre-trained image classification NN that workd fine on mobile devices.

This doesn't mean that energy saving is unimportant on a mobile device of course. But there are very widely deployed production systems (eg all of Android) that use them now with no special GPU acceleration.

[1] http://googleresearch.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/how-google-tra...

[2] http://googleresearch.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/google-voice-s...

[3] http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.co...

Re:Emergent Chip Vastly Accelerates Deep Neural Networks by IanCal on Tuesday January 12, 2016 @02:05AM (#10885991)
> A mobile device can execute a pretrained model fine.

Of course it can. The problem is with the size of the network you might want to run.

From your first link, which is about single character level image processing

> We needed to develop a very small neural net, and put severe limits on how much we tried to teach it—in essence, put an upper bound on the density of information it handles.

And from the voice training paper:

> While our server-based model has 50M parameters (k = 4, nh = 2560, ni = 26 and no = 7969), to reduce the memory and computation requirement for the embedded model, we experimented with a variety of sizes and chose k = 6, nh = 512, ni = 16 and no = 2000, or 2.7M parameters

AlexNet is, what, 60M+? VGG is pretty big too.

I guess I wasn't too clear. Yes, there are good results from nets that we can run on mobile devices in realtime. We do, however, want to run significantly larger nets.

Re:Emergent Chip Vastly Accelerates Deep Neural Networks by nl on Wednesday January 13, 2016 @12:16AM (#10892442)
[1] is a Google-authored demo running Inception-v3[2] (about twice as accurate as VGG) on Android phones.

I don't know how many parameters Inception v3 has, but I know Google considers it more efficient than VGG ("Although our network is 42 layers deep, our computation cost is only about 2.5 higher than that of GoogLeNet and it is still much more efficient than VGGNet".)

Yes, being able to run big networks is great. But ultimately it's what you do with it, and a 3% error rate on ImageNet is a pretty compelling argument that size isn't the only factor.

[1] https://github.com/tensorflow/tensorflow/tree/master/tensorf...

[2] http://arxiv.org/abs/1512.00567

Re:Emergent Chip Vastly Accelerates Deep Neural Networks by versteegen on Tuesday January 12, 2016 @02:05AM (#10885990)
Well, it depends on the neural network you want to use. At computer vision/image processing conferences I find that it is much more common for people to use preexisting DNNs and plug them into their systems rather than train their own (why would you waste weeks or months on that?). The good pretrained DNNs available today tend to be huge, requiring a large amount of video RAM. I've talked to people writing realtime image processing software (GPU acceleration required) intended for handheld devices which can't yet actually run on the device because they don't have a suitable DNN which will fit in VRAM.
Re:Emergent Chip Vastly Accelerates Deep Neural Networks by nl on Wednesday January 13, 2016 @12:20AM (#10892452)
3.5% top-5 error rate on ImageNet running on Android. Hard to beat that (unless you are Microsoft Research Asia).

https://github.com/tensorflow/tensorflow/tree/master/tensorf...

Re:Emergent Chip Vastly Accelerates Deep Neural Networks by dharma1 on Tuesday January 12, 2016 @06:29AM (#10886766)
mxnet has some optimised models for mobile devices - http://mxnet.readthedocs.org/en/latest/tutorial/smart_device...
Re:Emergent Chip Vastly Accelerates Deep Neural Networks by dharma1 on Tuesday January 12, 2016 @02:28AM (#10886051)
Its very difficult or near impossible to do image or speech recognition realtime on mobile CPUs/GPUs. Especially with large nets

You can do limited tasks but not the kind of things we can do on desktop