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Re:What Happens When Virtual Reality Gets Too Real by startupfounder on Monday January 04, 2016 @03:29PM (#10838308)
Why do we fear technological advancement? "Fire will get to hot and burn our villages", "the wheel will crush our children", "guns kill people", etc.

Tools and technology are neither good or bad, it is what we humans do with these tools that create our reality.

Yes, we could fill children's heads with a false reality, but on the contrary we can also provide education that is 100x better to the entire planet.

Re:What Happens When Virtual Reality Gets Too Real by rm_-rf_slash on Monday January 04, 2016 @03:46PM (#10838438)
People have a good reason to be cynical. At the early horizon of the Internet, people believed utopia was right around the corner. What they found was more income inequality while the biggest payouts in Silicon Valley went to people sucking up more of our information to sell us more ads.

So yes, we certainly can do amazing things, but more often than not, someone in the boardroom will eventually ask: "where's the profit?"

Just think of Facebook's Open Basics. They could afford to provide the extreme poor with the full internet, but they chose not to, since using Facebook at least would help the company collect more data and sell more ads. That was a deliberate choice.

Re:What Happens When Virtual Reality Gets Too Real by stcredzero on Monday January 04, 2016 @06:20PM (#10839555)
At the early horizon of the Internet, people believed utopia was right around the corner.

Here's the thing. What one generation imagined as "Utopia" keeps on happening in limited contexts. But by the time it becomes reality, the conception of "Utopia" has changed. It's a moving target much in the same way hard AI is a moving target.

Today, I live in a world where I not only have to worry about getting enough to eat, I even have to worry about getting too many calories. In my society, poor people worry about that more! I don't have to worry about physical safety. I don't worry about disease. I have access to almost any information I want, including entertainments that even kings and queens could never have imagined.

Pick some level of baseline security for some 1st world industrialized nation. If you described that to Sir Thomas More or John Stuart Mill, and told them how many millions have it, they'd think you were talking a pipe dream.

Inequality is always the big problem, of course.

Re:What Happens When Virtual Reality Gets Too Real by Thriptic on Monday January 04, 2016 @04:46PM (#10838933)
> So yes, we certainly can do amazing things, but more often than not, someone in the boardroom will eventually ask: "where's the profit?"

That's because these entities are businesses, not charities. Their primary purpose is to generate profit, and the board is there to ensure that they do that. To expect a business to act like a charity is not reasonable.

Re:What Happens When Virtual Reality Gets Too Real by ProAm on Monday January 04, 2016 @04:53PM (#10838990)
> To expect a business to act like a charity is not reasonable.

This is why we fear such leaps of technology, because the people doing it lack empathy and sympathy in place for profits.

Re:What Happens When Virtual Reality Gets Too Real by dawnbreez on Monday January 04, 2016 @03:57PM (#10838539)
You forgot video games, which had the exact same reaction. People were afraid that "murder simulators" would ruin our morality. Expect that to be paraded around again, with a teensy bit more credibility.

Of course, cynicism is good for the tech. It's a way of making sure we know what we're doing.

Re:What Happens When Virtual Reality Gets Too Real by stcredzero on Monday January 04, 2016 @06:43PM (#10839721)
People were afraid that "murder simulators" would ruin our morality.

From what I've seen, it's not the "murder simulation" that's the most significant. It's the spending of so much time within world-like environments where an amoral stance is consistently rewarded.

I've known people who have formed their moral framework almost exclusively from their experience within such environments. I've even known people in positions of power, who exercise power accordingly.

Games and VR environments are simply media. Media does have an effect on how we see the world, but it's almost never in the simplistic way that alarmists come up with. Rather, it's subtler, but it is certain to be there.

Re:What Happens When Virtual Reality Gets Too Real by dawnbreez on Tuesday January 05, 2016 @11:39AM (#10844145)
I've known people who have formed their moral framework almost exclusively from their experience within such environments. I've even known people in positions of power, who exercise power accordingly.

This is a problem of separating fantasy and reality. If one understands that, say, Doom is a fantasy that does not work in the same way as the real world, then you won't have trouble realizing that you can't solve your problems with a well-timed shotgun blast while running at 90 miles per hour.

On the other hand, if you don't stop and think about how different Doom is from the world, then you get headlines about how Doom caused two teens to shoot up a school. Which, incidentally, is a bad example--the two teens you're probably thinking of were also neo-nazis, so it's far more likely that they played Doom obsessively because they wanted to kill people, and far less likely that Doom drove them to kill.

Re:What Happens When Virtual Reality Gets Too Real by stcredzero on Tuesday January 05, 2016 @08:24PM (#10847704)
You're totally missing the point. This guy ran an organization like he ran online gaming groups. People were treated as disposable. Environment was toxic. All that mattered was a simplistic and materialistic notion of "winning." Nothing was ever physically mangled outside of a CNC machine.
Re:What Happens When Virtual Reality Gets Too Real by dawnbreez on Wednesday January 06, 2016 @10:28AM (#10850969)
Fair enough. I'd wager that there are online gaming groups with better leadership than his, but that's beside the point too.

What this guy needs is a rude awakening. And, hopefully, he will get one.

Re:What Happens When Virtual Reality Gets Too Real by jandrese on Monday January 04, 2016 @04:29PM (#10838804)
Yeah, I mean if videogames affected people we would be hanging out in neon lit rooms listening to techno music and chomping pills by now thanks to Pac Man.
Re:What Happens When Virtual Reality Gets Too Real by JetSpiegel on Monday January 04, 2016 @05:10PM (#10839100)
Not since the UK banned raves...
Re:What Happens When Virtual Reality Gets Too Real by sliverstorm on Monday January 04, 2016 @06:36PM (#10839677)
Why do we fear technological advancement? Tools and technology are neither good or bad, it is what we humans do with these tools that create our reality.

There's your answer. We fear what other humans will do with these tools.

Re:What Happens When Virtual Reality Gets Too Real by darkerside on Monday January 04, 2016 @03:49PM (#10838464)
We are all the descendants of those who happened to embrace and succeed along with technological change. That doesn't mean that we and our children will benefit from the next wave.
Re:What Happens When Virtual Reality Gets Too Real by CyberDildonics on Monday January 04, 2016 @04:58PM (#10839019)
Women's uterus's will fly out from their bodies if going at the speed of a train (yes, a doctor is documented as saying this)