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Re:T-Mobile’s Binge On Optimization is Just Throttling, Appl... by Retric on Monday January 04, 2016 @02:19PM (#10837799)
Bandwidth is not limited by protocol. If you can offer HD video streams you can offer plenty of bandwidth for just about every other use. Congestion is real, but it takes place at specific times of the day. Outside of that a customers using bandwidth is irrelevant to your bottom line.
Re:T-Mobile’s Binge On Optimization is Just Throttling, Appl... by acdha on Monday January 04, 2016 @02:29PM (#10837874)
Bandwidth isn't limited by protocol but the effects of latency vary widely. It'd be really helpful if the discussion could shift to prioritization and reservation so ISPs could implement a better version of this feature where e.g. any traffic flagged as latency-tolerant costs less but you could simply pay to have a greater share when the network is congested.
Re:T-Mobile’s Binge On Optimization is Just Throttling, Appl... by Retric on Monday January 04, 2016 @02:42PM (#10837955)
Your trying to micro optimize things that cost ISP's effectively nothing. Further, the rest of the internet is going to ignore your high vs low latency tag so all an ISP is going to do is decide which network a packet ends up on. Sure, it might make a slight difference, but far less than your probably thinking.
Re:T-Mobile’s Binge On Optimization is Just Throttling, Appl... by acdha on Monday January 04, 2016 @03:30PM (#10838316)
> Your trying to micro optimize things that cost ISP's effectively nothing.

Have you looked at how many billions of dollars ISPs spend for wireless spectrum or deploying cell towers? Buying more is neither fast nor simple, so there's a real benefit to figuring out how to allocate a naturally limited resource fairly. The approach of charging for total bandwidth consumption doesn't do a good job of this since it's only a crude proxy for the actual problem.

> Further, the rest of the internet is going to ignore your high vs low latency tag

QoS has had various standardized forms for a long time so “the rest of the internet” hasn't been a factual statement since at least the 90s, although it's certainly far from a universally-deployed feature.

More to the point, however, we were talking about the last-mile network which tends to be both the most congested and the only point where pricing is surfaced to the user. It doesn't matter whether, say, a backbone provider does anything other than deliver the packet if your wireless carrier does use that flag to throttle packets at different rates when the network is congested. Many ISPs have already deployed equipment capable of doing this but the industry billing models do not reflect that, which is something I'd like to see change.

Re:T-Mobile’s Binge On Optimization is Just Throttling, Appl... by Retric on Monday January 04, 2016 @03:49PM (#10838468)
Texting demonstrates wireless companies love to charge based on protocol independent of costs. Also, throttling bandwidth does not necessarily hurt latency. So, simply charging more based on congestion is more useful than high vs low latency packets. If customer X is willing to pay 5$ to watch a cat video online wireless companies would live to be able to bill this.

As to upgrading networks, the wireless industry is pulls in $187.8B per year and spends $32.1B on capital investments. Yes, the network is expensive, but it's less important to there bottom line than you might think.