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Re:Mark Zuckerberg's Free Basics argument doesn't address co... by bko on Thursday December 31, 2015 @10:25AM (#10817898)
> The "target market" here consists mostly of people who, as a group, have no understanding whatsoever of what is being offered

So you deny the poor autonomy since they're poor? Poor != uniformed. They're not subjects of the state due to their circumstances.

Because I love quotes:

'Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves, and, under a just God cannot retain it.' - Abraham Lincoln, letter to H.L. Pierce, April 6, 1859.

> Mind you, that so far none of the "India's top tech institutes, startups, entrepreneurs & other eminent people" are forcing general population to reject the offer. They're just explaining what the costs and the long-term consequences are. Who, if not them, is supposed to do that?

I have no objection to that. They can advocate that it should not be used. I am only opposed to banning this service.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg's Free Basics argument doesn't address co... by TeMPOraL on Thursday December 31, 2015 @11:01AM (#10818107)
I'm not denying anything to anyone. I'm only stating observations. People have less and less autonomy nowadays. The illusion of autonomy, yes, there's an abundance of that. But it's not the real thing. It's actually more dangerous that no autonomy at all, because in the latter case at least you know you're doing someone else's bidding.

> Poor != uniformed.

I didn't think along this line. It's more of "general population == uninformed", especially when it comes to science and technology. It's too new and it's changing too fast. Societies internalize things very slowly.

I love quotes too, but denying freedom isn't what's happening. A big issue in our times is that people have very limited capabilities to exercise their freedom for any good. Not only the world is too big and complex, in every aspect of our lives we're constantly facing armies of malicious people that are paid for fucking us over. "Free will" sounds cool, but it loses much of its glamour when you see how easy is to manipulate people into doing things that go against their best interest.

> I have no objection to that. They can advocate that it should not be used. I am only opposed to banning this service.

Yeah, I'm not advocating a ban either. But I don't see anything bad about the third-party "elites" speaking up. They aren't just random celebrities, they're the people with knowledge and means to understand this particular issue.