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Re:How three teenagers invented an app to police the cops by TrevorJ on Tuesday December 29, 2015 @01:42PM (#10808275)
>you have to be 100% totally damn sure that there is a problem in a first place and that you're not inventing it

Sounds a lot like a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy.

Everything from apartments to restaurants to taxi and semi drivers have ratings or a feedback system and it hasn't brought any of those systems to a grinding halt.

Re:How three teenagers invented an app to police the cops by TeMPOraL on Wednesday December 30, 2015 @03:27AM (#10811293)
It's not about finding a true Scotsman - it's about allocating resources to fighting real problems instead of imaginary ones.

Ratings systems are not a silver bullet either - they're often easy to game (products) or measure wrong things (restaurants); users can be pressured into giving a good rating (employee interaction rating machines at border control, which you have to press while still in front of the officer) or bosses can use them to control employees (a known not-exactly-a-taxi, semi-illegal company I won't name). Particular failure modes depend on small details about the rating system - whether it's immediate or delayed, anonymous or not, relevant to the other side's career or not, etc. - but there are always some.

Ratings and feedback in general are a good concept, but you can't just take a "SELECT AVG(rate) FROM policeman WHERE rate < 3" an run to the nearest CNN office to talk about how things are very bad. You have to stop and consider all issues of a given implementation of a rating system, and there are quite many of those.

Re:How three teenagers invented an app to police the cops by TrevorJ on Wednesday December 30, 2015 @06:30PM (#10815102)
If you don't feel that the training and culture of LEO has some real problems then I'm not sure we have enough common ground to discuss a solution, to be honest.

I do agree that ratings can be gamed and are not a silver bullet though, that is true. It's difficult to get right.

Re:How three teenagers invented an app to police the cops by TeMPOraL on Wednesday December 30, 2015 @08:02PM (#10815498)
Based on what I read, heard and saw I do totally feel that "the training and culture of LEO has some real problems". Especially in the US, but Europe also starts to go this way. I don't deny the need for addressing it. My original point was about something else - that we should be sure we don't overblow the problem.

The current situation is that citizens and police are stuck in a feedback loop of growing fear and resent towards each other. A key step to solving our problem is to contain this loop before it grows too strong. 'rrmm wrote about giving more visibility to the transgressions of policemen, but I argue that going for maximum publicity isn't always a best approach. Taking into the account how blindly people consume the media, I fear it may only exacerbate the vicious circle of fear and resent.