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Re:Facebook is misleading Indians with its full-page ads abo... by rm_-rf_slash on Friday December 25, 2015 @04:51PM (#10792462)
Is the lack of Internet truly that bad? India, while woefully poor in many places, is perhaps the most spiritually rich nation I have ever known. For all the stresses of life and distortions of industrialization, let alone internetification, they have far more inner resolve than most of us in the pill-popping West. To say that they have nothing if they reject an inch-wide glimpse of the Internet, provided by a company which is the face of corporate survellience, no less, smacks of the arrogant notion that more is always better. The Buddha found satisfaction by rejecting the material life, after all.
Re:Facebook is misleading Indians with its full-page ads abo... by tdaltonc on Friday December 25, 2015 @05:16PM (#10792525)
Ya, who needs to know the price of rice or fertilizer? Certainly not Indian farmers; they can eat inner peace. And who needs to learn algebra? Certainly not rural children; they already know the meaning of life.

Free Basics isn't the answer, but going from no-internet to just-a-tiny-bit-of-internet can have a big impact on someones life.

Re:Facebook is misleading Indians with its full-page ads abo... by crdb on Friday December 25, 2015 @09:08PM (#10793001)
> Certainly not rural children

Funnily enough, having worked for a while on projects in rural Maharashtra, the children are the path to information for those villages - they're the ones who can read and write and know the prices and share information upwards to the adults.

(the conclusion being, back then, that one should market to children...)

Re:Facebook is misleading Indians with its full-page ads abo... by tim333 on Friday December 25, 2015 @07:53PM (#10792857)
It may be spiritual but it's also pretty fucked up in many ways not unrelated to the spirituality like bride burning, killing people who marry into the wrong cast, leading the world in modern slavery (14 million in the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery) and in malutrition (nearly double that of Sub Saharan Africa, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malnutrition_in_India). I think banning those people from a free if a bit crappy internet service because the well off are offended by the idea of it being provided by Facebook is dubious.
Re:Facebook is misleading Indians with its full-page ads abo... by shrikrishna on Saturday December 26, 2015 @12:01AM (#10793333)
Get one thing straight. Free Basics is not about "bringing up" the poor. And among the "well off" are those who were poor once and have used knowledge from the internet to be wise enough to realize what is going on. Free Basics, if allowed to remain, will become a gatekeeper to the internet and will essentially become a barrier to entry to other services
Re:Facebook is misleading Indians with its full-page ads abo... by iofj on Saturday December 26, 2015 @03:44AM (#10793685)
Minus: might become a barrier to entry to other services

Plus: provides "some" internet for a billion people ... including wikipedia and various info apps. Includes photo sharing, chat, ...

Which of these is more important ? That's the big question being discussed here. And of course the people discussing how this might stand in the way of their future profits feel absolutely no need to provide an alternative ...

Re:Facebook is misleading Indians with its full-page ads abo... by thecrazyone on Saturday December 26, 2015 @11:47AM (#10794493)
>Plus: provides "some" internet for a billion people ... including wikipedia and various info apps. Includes photo sharing, chat, ...

Chat, fb, etc is free for now, because Facebook "allows" it to be free. Once everyone is on free basics, they can do a U-turn and say only Facebook messenger, Facebook website, Facebook * is free. What are you going to do then?

What prevents them from doing this?

Letting FB or any company be a gatekeeper to net is wrong on so many levels. There are so many devious things they can do and we as people or other companies will be totally helpless.

Re:Facebook is misleading Indians with its full-page ads abo... by iofj on Saturday December 26, 2015 @09:00PM (#10796083)
Point 1: FB can't U-turn. Only the local telcos can do that. Judging by history they will in fact do that.

Point 2: FB is not a gatekeeper in free basics. FB simply provides a convenient door for the local telcos to open.

Point 3: The telcos, better known as the Indian government's corrupt cronies (meaning the Indian government gave ownership away to specific individuals), were, are, and will be the gatekeepers.

Making it slightly more difficult for some multinationals (other social networks, MS, linkedin, ...) to make profits in the future does not justify taking this away. If you feel this is unfair, then either convince the Indian government to provide your brand of free internet. I'm sure the amount of money that requires is a factor 10 less of what you'd think it is, which of course still makes it half a billion dollars or so.

In case you've missed it somehow. The internet is centralizing. That's the whole point of the cloud. That is what's being defended here. You're just defending one company centralizing against another. Amazon (including ec2), Google, Microsoft, LinkedIn, Oracle, ... all are centralized computing platforms that give you zero say in how your software runs, how your data is kept, and you can bet your ass all of these will lock you out. That is the thing they all agree on.

You seem to think this hasn't happened yet, but think about it. This has happened, it's too late.

Re:Facebook is misleading Indians with its full-page ads abo... by rm_-rf_slash on Saturday December 26, 2015 @06:20AM (#10793878)
Give them access to the full internet. Anything less is disengenuous. They're going to end up using Facebook anyway, unless someone ends up making the Indian VK. Can't let the possibility of innovation conflict with profit forecasts...
Re:Facebook is misleading Indians with its full-page ads abo... by iofj on Saturday December 26, 2015 @09:15AM (#10794154)
I don't understand why all or nothing is a reasonable demand. If that's your demand, then pay up or otherwise convince the telcos like fb has. What's wrong with that?

I do understand why telcos won't give all internet for free. In fact I'm amazed fb got them to allow any chat app at all, given that it'll kill SMS.

What I'm asking is why is potentially raising entry costs in the Indian market worth, morally speaking, denying internet to millions of people?

Re:Facebook is misleading Indians with its full-page ads abo... by jsprogrammer on Friday December 25, 2015 @05:12PM (#10792515)
What do pills have to do with this?

The Internet is a global communications network. It allows you to connect with anyone anywhere on the planet and nearby space. Without access youbare severely limited in what you can learn and do.