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Re:How the online hate mob set its sights on me by madaxe_again on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @07:26AM (#10777307)
That's most social interaction you've just described there. We generally converse with a projection, an idiopathic construct representative of another, of their state of mind, so we can interpret and respond to them appropriately.

Issues arise when this projected individual differs substantially to the actual. On a one to one face to face basis, one typically rapidly readjusts one's model of another rapidly, as it's free floating and has no broader corpus to fall back on. This varies when you deal with someone famous (large corpus, many precepts) or intimate (seemingly large corpus, actually selection bias and neurosis), and the model usually becomes less accurate.

Where it gets interesting is herd interactions, either on or offline. Lynch mobs, trial by media, witch burning, Internet hate machine, war - all arise from inaccurate models of the minds of others, which are reinforced through perceived (abiline!) collective consensus.

Long story short, there's no good and evil, most narrative is self constructed, this is as old as man.

Re:How the online hate mob set its sights on me by mafribe on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @07:54AM (#10777434)
Exactly. Great post!

   all arise from inaccurate models of the minds of others
Inaccurate models not just of minds of others, but of the observers's environment, including non-minds. It's complexity reduction. Language is unable to represent the full complexity of what is being observed, the more so, the fewer words being used.
Re:How the online hate mob set its sights on me by madaxe_again on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @08:01AM (#10777473)
Yes, symbol set reduction can weigh in this too - that was the entire idea of orwell's newspeak, to reduce the available set of symbols and therefore thought - fundamentally providing a more malleable, more simplistic model.

Were humans not capable of and in the habit of treating assumptions as axioms, we could not function nor develop beyond an infantile inquisitive state, as we rely on inductive learning to link the symbols through which we interpret reality - so one can only work with this particular axiom (or assumption? Hah.) to effect change.

The Internet is damoclean in nature - at first flush it presents a divisive frontier of information, which leads to the behaviours we see today - but prolonged exposure could result in a general improvement in the models individuals and cultures carry, assuming auto-innoculation doesn't happen too quickly. It'll be interesting to watch pan out.

Re:How the online hate mob set its sights on me by mafribe on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @08:08AM (#10777503)

   prolonged exposure could result in a general improvement 
That's certainly what happened after the previous two revolutions in communication: the invention of convenient writing and that of the printing press. So I have high hopes for the third! I doubt that will be part of the bright future though. It is antithetical to better communication.
Re:How the online hate mob set its sights on me by madaxe_again on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @08:40AM (#10777667)
Eventually, yes, but at the time they'd have been bemoaning this bloody Luther guy and that gutenburg idiot.

Progress doesn't always look like progress at the time. In fact, it rarely does - what we usually see and call progress is actually entrenchment.

Re:How the online hate mob set its sights on me by jnbiche on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @07:59AM (#10777457)
> Long story short, there's no good and evil, most narrative is self constructed, this is as old as man.

And cultural relativism is a marvelous excuse for the evil of man.

Re:How the online hate mob set its sights on me by mafribe on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @08:48AM (#10777695)
Cultural relativism is a refinement of cultural absolutism, in order better to deal with the empirically undeniable discrepancies in moral judgements between different individuals and groups. Basically:

Cultural absolutism: us good, them evil.

Cultural relativism: under these social circumstances, those moral preferences are likely to emerge.

Clearly, the former is easier to handle than the latter, which has advantages in some situations.

Re:How the online hate mob set its sights on me by enave on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @06:44PM (#10781122)
>Cultural absolutism: us good, them evil.

>Cultural relativism: under these social circumstances, those moral preferences are likely to emerge.

This strikes me as the fallacy of the excluded middle.

Many people believe one culture is better than another without necessarily believing one is entirely good/without fault and the other is entirely bad.

The problem with cultural relativism as I understand it is that it denies me the right to make any judgement. I mean, you phrased as opposing "they're bad" but in practice it opposes "they're worse"

Re:How the online hate mob set its sights on me by mafribe on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @06:02AM (#10782826)

    fallacy of the excluded middle.
I'd say I was being terse, and trying to boild down the matter to its essence, so as to enable clear thinking. Naturally, positions we hold are more complex.

   it denies me the right to make any judgement.
I don't think a mature cultural relativist denies you any judgements, it's more an invitation to investigate more nuanced positions.
Re:How the online hate mob set its sights on me by madaxe_again on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @08:41AM (#10777671)
You believe in moral absolutes? What is the ultimate good, then? And who is born evil?
Re:How the online hate mob set its sights on me by jnbiche on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @02:25PM (#10779738)
Yes, I believe in moral absolutes in actions and deeds, not in people. I don't believe anyone is born evil.
Re:How the online hate mob set its sights on me by madaxe_again on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @04:12AM (#10782573)
I see. So which cultures are good, which are evil?