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Re:Norwegians campaign to give Finland a mountain by sheraz on Sunday December 20, 2015 @08:30AM (#10766974)
Hardly perfect.

1. This is a story about Norway gifting Finland a bit of land as a celebration of Finland's full declaration of independence (I think from Russia). Sweden does not factor into it.

2. Scandinavian countries are also inhabited by humans, which means there are all the same "isms" and problems like everywhere else. It is just distributed a little differently.

Re:Norwegians campaign to give Finland a mountain by scrollaway on Sunday December 20, 2015 @10:21AM (#10767246)
I've lived and travelled to many places across Europe. Most recently I lived in Stockholm for a year and it was damn near perfect. By far the best place I've ever stayed at.

Of course it has problems. Problems are not something you can get rid of, they are just a manifestation of the worst things in your environment (There is always a "worst" of everything, even an utopia). Sweden's problems are almost all the definition of "first world". I'm in Athens now and I miss that country.

Re:Norwegians campaign to give Finland a mountain by sheraz on Sunday December 20, 2015 @10:56AM (#10767345)
Again, here we are with that word, "perfect."

Sorry, but to say that Sweden's problems are largely "first world" is incredibly naive.

Sweden is really struggling to find the resources to adequately deal with accepting, feeding, and housing all the refugees streaming in. Hardly a frist-world problem.

Sweden's security services are under immense pressure to identify, monitor, and stop any terror threats from within, and do it under strict privacy laws. Hardly a first-world problem.

Sweden's social welfare system cannot possible sustain all of the support given internally and externally to her borders. It was never designed to accomodate and support thousands of refugees who cannot immediately (or ever) pay back into the system.

Re:Norwegians campaign to give Finland a mountain by macintux on Sunday December 20, 2015 @06:16PM (#10768722)
"Sweden's security services are under immense pressure to identify, monitor, and stop any terror threats from within, and do it under strict privacy laws. Hardly a first-world problem."

Isn't that the very definition of a first-world problem? In the rest of the world privacy laws are a joke.

Re:Norwegians campaign to give Finland a mountain by littletimmy on Sunday December 20, 2015 @11:51AM (#10767489)
The refugee problem seems external, rather than internal. Kudos to Sweden that they are being a humane country and offering refugees help, even if it comes at a slight personal cost to the Swedish people. I wish all countries were so kind.
Re:Norwegians campaign to give Finland a mountain by sheraz on Sunday December 20, 2015 @01:28PM (#10767769)
Sure, refugees are an external problem right up until they show up on your doorstep, and you are then legally obligated to coordinate and provide housing, healthcare, and assistance on an unprecedented scale that Sweden has never seen.

And do all of this under the direction of Sweden's track record of failed integration policies [1]

Easy-peasy indeed...

[1] - http://www.thelocal.se/20090923/22244

Re:Norwegians campaign to give Finland a mountain by scrollaway on Sunday December 20, 2015 @06:00PM (#10768662)
> right up until they show up on your doorstep, and you are then legally obligated to coordinate

You do realize Sweden is inviting refugees? Which is just about the opposite to what every other country is doing.

Linking news from 2009 is not exactly a counterpoint to anything. Integration in Sweden may not be perfect but it's one of the rare countries actually trying to have an integration policy other than "go back to where you came from".

The world will look back a few decades from now (hopefully sooner) on the times we closed our doors to the war torn. The times we were all disgustingly xenophobic. The times we treated others as sub-human because of their religion -- remember the last time that happened?

I do want to say this much: in the past decade of living in different european countries, a decade of feeling far more "european" than "french", I've never been as proud of my country and government back home as when they took a stand against terrorism by refusing to change their immigration policies, rather than falling in to the 9/11 "differentophobia" trap.

I want more refugees in my country. I want my country to help people, even if it's at its own detriment. Those attaching absurd conditions such as "we only want catholic refugees" are basically saying "Sure I'll help the ones in need, as long as it doesn't cost me anything". They are the real life definition of slacktivism.

If integration policies fail, then fix the policies. Don't just stop accepting refugees. If your city's homeless policies are failing, should your new policy be "just ship the homeless next door, they'll know what to do with them"?

Anyway, I'm saying all that but you quite clearly misunderstood the parent post and what he meant by an "external problem", so I'll end my rant.

Re:Norwegians campaign to give Finland a mountain by Numberwang on Sunday December 20, 2015 @09:26AM (#10767085)
Im sitting on the station in Malmö after being abroad for a year. It's perfect.
Re:Norwegians campaign to give Finland a mountain by sheraz on Sunday December 20, 2015 @10:11AM (#10767210)
I'd like to think there is sarcasm in this, but since you forgot to end it /sarcasm, I'll bite....

  - Bombings and grenades this summer - https://www.rt.com/news/310757-sweden-malmo-blasts-crime/

  - A long history of Anti-semitism (not unique to Sweden)
  - Anti-Muslim hate-crime  (again, not unique to Sweden)
  - Anti-Roma (Gypsy) hate-crime - (again...you get the point)

Malmö is one of the many powder kegs across Europe. You have entire neighborhoods where Fire, emergency, and law enforcement will not go ("no-go zones") [1]

Sweden is not perfect. Malmo is no perfect. No place is perfect. To say so is a lie, or you have your head in the sand.

[1] - http://swedenreport.org/2014/10/29/swedish-police-55-officia...

Re:Norwegians campaign to give Finland a mountain by kryptiskt on Sunday December 20, 2015 @10:33AM (#10767273)
There most certainly is no neighborhood in Malmö where law enforcement won't go. There was a time when firefighters wanted to be escorted by police when going to Rosengård because they were harassed.
Re:Norwegians campaign to give Finland a mountain by sheraz on Sunday December 20, 2015 @10:45AM (#10767314)
Harassment suggests they were heckled the way one might heckle at sports games. Emergency services were attacked with stones and bottles. ATTACKED.
Re:Norwegians campaign to give Finland a mountain by ZoF on Sunday December 20, 2015 @03:23PM (#10768167)
I'm curious why you actually thought he meant it was _literally_ perfect?

It was clearly meant as an idiomatic expression.

Why not mention rapes, murders and crimes that aren't targeting a specific group? They're all valid reasons for you to object to the statement that some place is literally perfect.

Your objection is entirely out touch with the parent posts intended meaning.

Re:Norwegians campaign to give Finland a mountain by sheraz on Sunday December 20, 2015 @03:46PM (#10768242)
Hence, my comment about sarcasm.

Just what do you think was the intended meaning when someone calls a city perfect?

Re:Norwegians campaign to give Finland a mountain by ZoF on Sunday December 20, 2015 @03:57PM (#10768270)
About the same meaning I would derive from a native of anywhere saying their home-town/city/country is 'amazing/perfect/etc...'

That they're(almost always) expressing a sentiment not making a statement of fact.

Can you name many situations where 'perfect' is actually used literally?

That cake was perfect? I think not; you're completely ignoring the non-locally-sourced flour.

I'm not trying to say your point isn't valid it just seemed out of place and tangentially related to the topic.

Re:Norwegians campaign to give Finland a mountain by sheraz on Sunday December 20, 2015 @04:21PM (#10768341)
Point taken. And agreed -- this thread is way off from Norway handing Finland a mountain...

Have an upvote form me :-)

Re:Norwegians campaign to give Finland a mountain by maus42 on Sunday December 20, 2015 @10:56PM (#10769494)
>Norway gifting

*a bunch of Norwegians campaigning for

It's a nice gesture, but thus far the official Norway has at least not embraced the idea.