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Re:A visualisation of all of the money in the world by JumpCrisscross on Friday December 18, 2015 @10:20AM (#10758866)
Good, concise illustration from Reddit:

"If Powerball sells 1 million tickets at 2$ each, where the jackpot is worth 200,000,000$, is the size of that market 2M$ or 200 trillion $" [1]

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/3xb2xh/all_of_th...

Re:A visualisation of all of the money in the world by rayiner on Friday December 18, 2015 @10:24AM (#10758887)
I'll note that the article doesn't have a giant box for the combined value of all insurance policies, maybe because it's obvious that having $100,000 liability policy for your car insurance doesn't sound technical and scary like "derivative."

What blows my mind is that it seems like everyone in the media has taken this obviously incorrect premise and run with it.

Re:A visualisation of all of the money in the world by Zigurd on Sunday December 20, 2015 @05:27PM (#10768549)
The problem with derivatives is that they are functionally very similar or identical to insurance. But, because they are sold under a different name, the capital requirements for selling insurance do not apply. Insurance is less scary for a reason. Higher capital requirements, and less concentration of risk, means that insurance can't blow up the world economy.
Re:A visualisation of all of the money in the world by teh on Friday December 18, 2015 @12:24PM (#10759574)
This is not what's happening though AFAIK. In the lottery illustration there will be a single payout. In derivatives the risk of default for a certain "class" is treated as IID, and banks can leverage a certain amount on different risk classes (100x is not unusual).

But as 2007 demonstrated the real world risk is not IID. And at 100x leverage a 1% movement can totally wipe out a bank.

Also it's not like the 2007 crisis was fixed in any meaningful way. The FED just bought 1.4 trillion of MBS derivatives and is now sitting on them, actual value still unclear. Probably to be paid by the tax payer through 20 years of austerity.

Re:A visualisation of all of the money in the world by evanpw on Friday December 18, 2015 @12:39PM (#10759672)
But this has nothing to do with notional value. The world wouldn't be safer if we rewrote all contracts saying "1% on a notional amount of $100M" with "1M% on a notional amount of $100".
Re:A visualisation of all of the money in the world by vinceguidry on Friday December 18, 2015 @10:32AM (#10758935)
That's not a market at all. That's a $198,000,000 giveaway.
Re:A visualisation of all of the money in the world by xixi77 on Friday December 18, 2015 @12:30PM (#10759619)
Well, not quite -- if odds of winning are in fact around 1 in 200MM or less, there is no market failure here.

Their point would still stand if they sold 100MM tickets though, so as not to confuse the two issues (ie. the notional amount and the expected value), perhaps it would have been a better example that way.

Re:A visualisation of all of the money in the world by AnimalMuppet on Friday December 18, 2015 @11:50AM (#10759377)
Only if someone is guaranteed to win the big prize.
Re:A visualisation of all of the money in the world by roymurdock on Friday December 18, 2015 @10:46AM (#10759013)
In a one-off lottery scheme, the jackpot of a lottery should be less than or equal to the value of all of the contributions.

Did you introduce a central bank into the example some point? Is this a repeated game? Am I missing something? If not, this reddit comment makes no sense whatsoever.

Re:A visualisation of all of the money in the world by Retra on Friday December 18, 2015 @04:55PM (#10761248)
You're assuming someone has to win.